mueren dos personas en retiro espiritual
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Dos personas murieron y otras 19 resultaron heridas en un ritual de limpieza llevado a cabo en una sauna ceremonial de un retiro espiritual en Angel Valley, a pocos kilómetros de Sedona (Arizona), informaron los medios locales.
D5 Creation
ese seminario si que les cambio la vida 0_0
se llega al punto en que no bastan los rezos, las condolencias y los buenos sentimientos… hay cosas que no pueden venderse en seminarios.
Me sorprende los comentarios que hacen las personas en ese link. IQ negativo.
costo : entre 9 y 10 mil dolares por cabeza hummmmmmmmmmmm….2 murieron y 19 heridos asi que habia al menos 22 personas……220 mil dolares
tener dinero no es garantia de claridad mental…..
yo con 10 mil dolares, me hubiera ido de viaje por un mes a la toscana, solo para ver los atardeceres….ESO si es una terapia….
en vez de quedar como un pollo al vapor….
Con lo que cobraban podrían haber contratado al menos medidas de seguridad y personal médico… parece que este tipo de comerciantes no sólo le fallan a lo espiritual, sino a lo comercial mismo.
Para hecharse a alguien con vapor es necesario tronar la coagulacion sanguinea y eso es con unos 50 grados de temperatura (o mas) durante ciertos minutos. Por algo no hay vapor todo el tiempo en los temazcales.
Supongo que estuvieron cerca de 1 hora o dos con vapor continuo a unos 75 grados. eso produciria las queaduras, los problemas respiratorios y la axfixia.
Lo que me pregunto por que el “guia” si estaba adentro no se dio cuenta… a no ser que no estuviera adentro.
Posiblemente agotamiento por sesiones prolongadas de meditación, levantarse a la madrugada a orar, comida baja en calorías , y luego un sauna prolongado… Mas de un muerto ya no es casualidad.
¿Como distinguir a la gente que expone la salud de sus “seguidores” de la gente que realmente es seria y esta en posibilidades de ayudar a los demas? ¿como distinguir una mhh ceremonia o ritual o lo que sea, que realmente contenga en si un beneficio para quien lo haga de alguien que simplemente leyo u hojeo alguna revista o vio una pelicula y se volvio fanatico? esta vez murieron 2 personas, pero estaba pensando en los suicidios masivos que hubo hace tiempo en estados unidos y situaciones similares que pueden suceder.
coscuro
“quien no vive para servir, no sirve para vivir” CO
Pues para empezar si alguien te dice que con un un ritual de un día (llámese temazcal o ritual de lo que sea) vas a resolver todos tus problemas, curar enfermedades o iluminarte. (Y además te van a cobrar un dineral por eso)
Ningún ritual (por impresionante que sea) por sí solo te puede reportar mayores beneficios, para eso debe existir un trabajo interior previo para poder entender y aprovechar lo que está sucediendo.
A mi entender si no tienes experiencia previa, un ritual puede servir para introducirte en cierto conocimiento, o para ayudarte a empezar a resolver alguna dolencia física o psíquica (cuando se hacen con propósitos de sanación). Pero bajo esas circunstancias sería eso, solo un comienzo, no una solución final instantánea.
Lo de los suicidios masivos es arena de otro costal, ya ahí estamos hablando de sectas.
Creo que aquí en el foro hay algún material al respecto que puedes consultar.
Ernesto
Ademas, en el Nagualismo los rituales son casi inexistentes. En chamanismo son mas comunes.
Aqui Hay algo para identificar el trabajo real. Foro Segundo Arcano
http://rojointenso.net/mybb/?p=3202
Perdón por la traduccion express:
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Gracias Tatanka, pensé que no le iban a dar seguimiento al temay el motivo de las muertes no se llegaría a conocer. En su día publiqué la nnoticia en el blog, con tu permiso tomaré tu traducción para actualizar el dato.
Muy interesante lectura.
Claro, con todo gusto =)
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ese tipo de declaraciones que no pueden comprobarse… sólo hablan del espejismo que representan.
en el más acá… por como van las investigaciones, tendrán que hacerse responsables de sus actos por muchos que sean sus contactos en el más allá.
Traté de ver en la uente original y ya sólo se puede consultar en caché. Por suerte parece que todo el asunto se está reflejando en wikipedia (en inglés), con una cronología de los sucesos y declaraciones. Además la entrada está vinculada a la de “apropiación cultural”.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Arthur_Ray]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Arthur_Ray[/url]
Edito: Traducción express de un fragmento
Alguien podria copiar y pegar ?
Los lakota también se han pronunciado. En estos días pongo la info que encuentre.
James Arthur Ray
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James Arthur Ray
Born November 22, 1957 (1957-11-22) (age 51)
Honolulu, Hawaii
Occupation New Thought author, Motivational speaker
James Arthur Ray (born November 22, 1957) is a professional speaker and author. He has been a guest on Oprah,[1] Larry King Live,[2] and The Today Show, and is the author of Harmonic Wealth, a New York Times bestseller.[3] He is a self-described “personal success strategist [and] visionary.”[4]
Ray is the President and CEO of James Ray International,[4] a private company which holds seminars and mentoring services on wealth creation. As of October 2009, the company was not Better Business Bureau accredited, which gives the company a C rating for 7 complaints filed and 2 unresolved.[5] He was also one of the guest speakers in the 2006 film The Secret. Ray earlier had taught Stephen Covey Motivational seminars while employed at AT&T and later worked two years for the Covey foundation..”[6]
Childhood
James’ father was an Oklahoma preacher in occasional poverty for a decade until 1973 at Red Fork Church of God in Tulsa. At times they had to live in the church office. Money and spirituality where central to him. “The hardest part of my childhood was reconciling how Dad poured his heart into his work, how he helped so many people and yet he couldn’t afford to pay for haircuts for me and my brother,” Ray wrote in his 2008 book, “Harmonic Wealth.” “How could a loving God keep me from Cub Scouts on account of not being able to afford a uniform?” [7]
A high school classmate remembers Ray, “He kind of dressed well, and he always knew he would make something of himself in the way he expressed himself,” said Tim Connor, who graduated with Ray from Tulsa’s Webster High School in 1976. “It depends on what you call poor, but his dad made more than my family made.”[7]
Philosophy
Ray teaches students to use their minds, spirits and bodies to fulfill a harmonious goal that includes financial wealth, physical health and emotional well-being. He evangelically claims to have interviewed Peruvian shamans, Amazon witch doctors and a kahuna in Hawaii. He wandered through the Catacombs, Egyptian pyramids, museums of Paris and a castle in Portugal to seek fulfillment. In the end, he formed his own principles.[7]
Ray is an advocate of the Law of Attraction; his teachings have been described as “including a mix of spirituality, motivational speaking, and quantum physics”. In response to critics who asked if Holocaust victims were, in Ray’s view, thinking incorrectly, Ray stated in a 2007 interview: “I know people of the Jewish faith and heritage who don’t necessarily believe the Holocaust was bad. Now that might be shocking to you but I have people on record who have said, hey there’s a lot of good things that came out of that, a lot of lessons, a lot of opportunities for the world.” In that interview, Ray answered about personal responsibility, “I fully know, for me, that there is no blame. Every single thing is your responsibility … and nothing is your fault. Because every single thing that comes to you is gift … a lesson.”[8]
Critics
But critics say Ray is a charlatan who preys upon the insecurities of the rich who are looking for meaning in life. They say he operates without regulation or oversight to verify accurate claims or safe methods.[7] According to Grant Cardone, James Ray consulted him for methods to increase sales at business seminars, and was warned to only teach sound business practices. After this time, Ray began incorporating sleep deprivation, fasting, fire and glass walking, and sweat lodge methods after studying in South America. [9]
Former attendees of Ray’s seminars have reported unsafe practices and lack of properly trained medical staff as early as three years ago. Participants of a Ray’s “Spiritual Warrior” exercise , after signing waivers, were told to put a sharp point of an arrow used in archery against the soft part of the neck and lean against the tip. A man named Kurt sustained injuries during this exercise as the shaft snapped and the arrow point deeply penetrated his eyebrow. [10]
July 2009 a Coleen M Conaway of Michigan, attending a seminar hosted by James Ray International in which the attendees were directed to dress as homeless people, fell to her death at the Horton Plaza Mall. She died as a result of injuries, and according to police, she had no identification on her person. [11][12]
Sweat lodge deaths
On October 8, 2009, at a New Age “Spiritual Warrior” retreat conceived and hosted by Ray at the Angel Valley Retreat Center in Yavapai County near Sedona, Arizona, two participants of a sweat lodge exercise; James Shore and Kirby Brown died. Eighteen others were hospitalized after suffering burns, dehydration, breathing problems, kidney failure or elevated body temperature. Liz Neuman, another attendee, died October 17 after being comatose for a week.[13]
The attendees, who had paid up to $10,000 to participate in the retreat, had fasted for 36 hours during a vision quest exercise before the next day’s sweat lodge. During this vision quest, participants were left alone in the Arizona desert with a sleeping bag, although Ray offered them Peruvian ponchos for an additional $250.[14] After this experience, participants ate a large buffet breakfast before entering the sweat lodge.[15] A site owner reported she learned after the event that participants went two days without water before entering the lodge.[16]
Ray refused to speak to authorities and left Arizona soon after the sweat lodge deaths.[17] According to sweat lodge participants, a note was left that said Ray was unavailable as he was in “prayer and meditation”.[18]
The Yavapai County Sheriff, Steve Waugh, said October 10 that the investigation was focusing on Ray and his staff in an attempt to determine if criminal negligence was involved.[19] The county sheriff’s office held firm in the belief that Ray’s staff actually built the sweat lodge, despite a claim by Ray’s spokesperson, Howard Bragman, that the staff contracted the Angel Valley resort to build it.[20] The Angel Valley resort would not comment on the details of the contract.[20] The site owners press release says James Ray was the sweat session facilitator in direction and control.[21]
According to investigators, a local group built the sweat lodge under hire. The site owners reported by e-mail that it was built in 2008. “This structure has been used on several other occasions since it was erected, without ever having caused any problem or even coming close to being problematic,” Angel Valley Retreat Center owner Amayra Hamilton said.[22] Jack Judd, the county building safety manager, said that there was no record of a permit or an application for a permit to build the sweat lodge.[23][24] Bragman claimed that the sweat lodge, which is a 415-square foot space, could accommodate up to 75 people.[23] On the day of the tragedy, between 55 to 65 people were crowded into the space during a two-hour period.[15][23] However, Joseph Bruchac, has suggested that the number of people inside this sweat lodge far exceeded the norm.[25]
On October 15, 2009, the Yavapai County sheriff’s office upgraded the investigations into the deaths of James Shore and Kirby Brown to homicide probes, after talking with participants.[26] Officials claimed the sweat lodge lacked the necessary building permit.[26] James Ray has apparently arranged for his own private investigation into the deaths.[26] He expressed sorrow and shed tears during a seminar in Los Angeles, although he did not explicitly apologize for the deaths.[26] Detectives executed a search warrant at James Ray International’s offices.[27]
On October 15, 2009, print media began reporting that Mr. Ray conducted a conference call with some victims, one of which recorded this call and provided it to the AP.[27] During this call, a self-described channeler said that they had communicated with the dead and said they “were having so much fun” out of their bodies that they didn’t want to return.[14]
On October 17 Ray’s spokesperson Howard Bragman said, responding to the investigation upgrade, “I think they are trying to tar my client. Somebody must be running for re-election in Yavapai County.”[28]
On October 27, Minnesota Senator Amy Klobucher asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to investigate the event to complement the local investigations.[29]
On October 28, the family of victim Kirby Brown said that Ray was insincere. They said he assured them he was working with authorities and yet the sheriff hasn’t received an official statement from Ray.[30] Ray offered the family a $5000 refund on October 22, with a sympathies card to settle them, which was described as “laughable”. The family had previously announced their intentions to sue him.[31]
On October 29, Ray postpones his event schedule and pledges to fully comitt himself to the investigation for the victim’s and family’s benefit of an authoritative response for closure. Ray admits he’s been struggling to respond in the right way since the tragedy started. Ray’s attorney places no responsibility for the lodge design, construction or maintenance on his client.[8]
On October 30, a wrongful death lawsuit claiming negligence, negligent misrepresentation, fraud and other actions on the part of Ray and the site owners was filed for the family of Liz Neuman. A similar action was filed for Sidney Spencer who was seriously injured. The suits seek compensatory and punitive damages alleging that defendants failed to provide adequate prior warnings, to monitor the participants’ well being in the sweat lodge, and to provide medical treatment.[32][33]
On November 4, Ray puts his Beverly Hills home on the market for $5,495,000. Ray paid $4 million in March, according to public records, for the 7,234-square-foot contemporary Mediterranean home.[34]
Ray has a Twitter account and was sending tweets of his intentions on the day of the deaths, before the lodge event. Apparently, Mr. Ray later deleted the tweets, but they were nonetheless found by others and reported. They included references to death.[35][36]
Witness accounts
Sedona resident Shawna Bowen arrived late to the event. She said, “One of the women I was tending to was asking for James Ray and calling for him”. “I got the impression he was shell-shocked by what the results of the sweat lodge were” said Bowen. From her experiences in lodge participation, she speculated the tragedy would not have happened if Ray was properly trained and said that he should be held accountable.[37]
Texas resident Beverley Bunn, a participant, spoke to the AP for an October 21, 2009, article. The AP describes her account as “by the time the sweat lodge ceremony began, the participants had undergone days of physically and mentally strenuous events that included fasting. In one game, guru James Arthur Ray even played God. Within an hour of entering the sweat lodge, people began vomiting, gasping for air and collapsing. Yet Bunn says Ray continually urged everyone to stay inside.”[38]
Sidney Spencer participated and was air lifted from the Angel Valley Retreat Center to a Flagstaff hospital. She has difficulty talking, after suffering multiple organ failures and neurological issues. “If this sweat-lodge experience had been conducted properly nobody would have been injured, but it was reckless how they handled this thing,” said Ted Schmidt, who represents Spencer.[39]
Native American perspective
Native American experts on sweat lodges have criticized the reported construction and conduct of the lodge as not meeting traditional ways (“bastardized” and “mocked”). Indian leaders expressed concerns and prayers for the dead and injured. Traditionally, a typical leader has 4 to 8 years of apprenticeship before being allowed to care for people in a lodge. The ceremony should only be in sanctioned lodge carriers hands from legitimate nations. Participants are instructed to call out whenever they feel uncomfortable, and the ceremony is usually stopped to help them. The lodge was said to be unusually built from non-breathable materials. Charging for the ceremony was said to be inappropriate. The number of participants was criticized as too high and the ceremony length was said to be too long. Respect to elders’ oversight was said to be important for avoiding unfortunate events. The tragedy was characterized as “plain carelessness”, with a disregard for the participants safety and outright negligence.[40] The Native American community actively seeks to prevent abuses of their traditions.[41][42][43][44][45] The Angel Valley owners announced they have accepted Native American friends’ help to “heal the land”.[21]
Published books
* The Science of Success, SunArk Press 2003, ISBN 9780966740011
* Practical Spirituality: How to Use Spiritual Power to Create Tangible Results, SunArk Press 2003, ISBN 9780966740035
* Harmonic Wealth: The Secret of Attracting the Life You Want, Hyperion Books 2008, ISBN 9781401322649
* The Seven Laws of True Wealth: Create the Life You Desire and Deserve, Hyperion Books Books 2009, ISBN 9781401322847
See also
* Cultural appropriation
* Neoshamanism
References
1. ^ The Secret Is Out, Oprah.com
2. ^ Transcript, “The Secret Revealed”, Larry King Live, March 8, 2007
3. ^ Hardcover Advice, New York Times, May 18, 2008
4. ^ a b About James Ray (official)
5. ^ [url=http://www.bbb.org/san-diego/business-reviews/training-programs/james-ray-international-in-carlsbad-ca-16004381/#rating]http://www.bbb.org/san-diego/business-revi…6004381/#rating[/url]
6. ^ [1]
7. ^ a b c d Craig Harris and Dennis Wagner,”Sweat-lodge guru: A story of ups, downs”, The Arizona Republic, 10/23/2009[2]
8. ^ a b DAN HARRIS, LEE FERRAN, JAY SHAYLOR and JEN PEREIRA, “Beyond Sweat Lodge: James Ray’s Controversial World, ABC News, 10/29/2009 [3]
9. ^ [4]
10. ^ [5]
11. ^ [url=http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/27/bn27hortonid082436/]http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/200…hortonid082436/[/url]
12. ^ [url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mystic_past_is_guru_some_rZkrxu8pPw7WGOHiKCA3uI]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/myst…pPw7WGOHiKCA3uI[/url]
13. ^ [url=http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2009/10/15/20091015sweatlodgerecords1014-ON-CP.html]http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/artic…1014-ON-CP.html[/url]
14. ^ a b JOHN DOUGHERTY, “For Some Seeking Rebirth, Sweat Lodge Was End “, 10/21/2009 [6]
15. ^ a b Allen, Nick: “Couple die during spiritual cleansing ceremony,” The UK’s The Daily Telegraph, 12 October 2009
16. ^ National News,”Arizona sweat lodge tragedy sparks first lawsuits”,KGAN CBS2, 10/30/2009[7]
17. ^ [url=http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/spiritual-warrior–cleanses-tweets-after-fatal-ceremony-20091012-gtft.html]http://www.theage.com.au/technology/techno…91012-gtft.html[/url]
18. ^ [url=http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCallPlus/arizona-sweat-lodge-survivor-james-arthur-ray-abandoned/story?id=8897573]http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCallPlus/arizo…tory?id=8897573[/url]
19. ^ [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/12/crimesider/entry5378668.shtml]http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/12/cr…ry5378668.shtml[/url]
20. ^ a b Dougherty, John: “Arizona: Sehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33364440/ns/us_news/lf-Help Expert Contests Police Statements,” The New York Times, October 12, 2009
21. ^ a b Michael and Amayra Hamilton, “Resort owners issue press release about sweat lodge deaths”, azfamily.com, 10/13/2009[8]
22. ^ Glen Creno, “Commercialization of sweat-lodge ceremony appalls Native Americans”, The Arizona Republic, 10/21/2009[9]
23. ^ a b c “Ariz. sweat lodge lacked key permit,” Associated Press via The Philadelphia Inquirer, October 13, 2009
24. ^ Fonseca, Felicia: “County official says Arizona sweat lodge where 2 died during spiritual retreat lacked permit,” AP via The Sun SentinelOctober 13, 2009
25. ^ [url=http://www.startribune.com/nation/63935292.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ]http://www.startribune.com/nation/63935292…3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ[/url]
26. ^ a b c d Sweeney, Claire: “‘Sweat lodge’ deaths being investigated as homicides,” The (London) Times online, 16 October 2009
27. ^ a b [url=http://www.examiner.com/x-4805-Arizona-Rural-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Criminal-investigation-launched-in-Sedona-sweat-lodge-incident]http://www.examiner.com/x-4805-Arizona-Rur…-lodge-incident[/url]
28. ^ Glen Creno, “Guru’s spokesman criticizes sheriff’s investigation of 2 deaths”‘ The Arizona Republic, 10/17/2009 [10]
29. ^ Pat Minelli,”Klobuchar calls for federal investigations into ‘sweat lodge’ deaths”, Shakopee Valley News, 10/27/2009[11]
30. ^ Sammy Rose Saltzman, “Sweat Lodge Victim’s Family: Guru James Arthur Ray Lied to Us”, CBS News, 10/28/2009[12]
31. ^ Edecio Martinez, “James Ray Gives “Laughable” 50 Percent Refund to Sweat Lodge Victim’s Family”, CBS News, 10/27/2009[13]
32. ^ BOB CHRISTIE, “1st lawsuits filed in Arizona sweat lodge tragedy”, AP, 10/30/2009[14]
33. ^ JJ Hensley, ” 2 lawsuits filed in Ariz. sweat-lodge deaths”, The Arizona Republic, 10/30/2009[15]
34. ^ Lauren Beale, “Self-help guru James Arthur Ray lists Beverly Hills house” L.A. Times,11/4/2009[16]
35. ^ [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/09/2-people-died-in-a-sweat-lodge-last-night-and-deleted-tweets-have-surfaced/]http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/09/2-peo…-have-surfaced/[/url]
36. ^ [url=http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=4747167954&page=1&q=+from:jamesaray]http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=47…+from:jamesaray[/url]
37. ^ Jim Carr, “Ray follower discusses sweat lodge ceremony”, azfaimly.com, 10/16/2009[17]
38. ^ Felicia Fonseca, “AP Newsbreak: 1st sweat lodge survivor speaks out”, AP, 10/21/2009[18]
39. ^ Kirsten Joyce, “Sweat-lodge participants say leader urged them to stay inside”, azfimly.com, 10/21/2009[19]
40. ^ Bob Goulais,”Dying to experience native ceremonies”,North Bay Nugget, 10/24/2009[20]
41. ^ Cheif Chemito, Comments reported on Phoenix Fox 10 by Miriam Garcia, 10/10/2009 [21]
42. ^ Valerie Taliman, “Taliman: Selling the sacred”, Indian Country Today, 10/13/2009 [22]
43. ^ Lindsay Hocker, “Sweat lodge incident ‘not our Indian way”, Quad-Cities Online, 10/14/2009 [23]
44. ^ Chief Arvol Looking Horse, “Concerning the deaths in Sedona”, Indian Country Today, 10/16/2009 [24]
45. ^ All Nations Indigenous Native American Indian Cultural Center, “Native Elder Addresses Deaths In Sweat Lodge”, BlackHillsToday, 10/17/2009 [25]
External links
* James Ray International
* Harmonic Wealth
* James Ray’s blog
* James Arthur Ray at the Internet Movie Database
* James Arthur Ray on Twitter
* Coverage of sweat lodge deaths