The old nagual site.
#1
Esensonar, this is a post for you. i think Jane from nagual.net should be banned from this site. As she was the one that ruined the whole of that Carlos Casteneda site :angry: :angry: :angry: , (which was really good.) now there is only this forum. Whilst i think youve done a good job, there is waaay too few people on here.

incidently, do you know, or does anyone know, for that matter, what happened to all the people who were on that site.
#2
The only interesting thing i heard lately was the death of Nury Alexander.
#3
Cita:Esensonar, this is a post for you. i think Jane from nagual.net should be banned from this site. As she was the one that ruined the whole of that Carlos Casteneda site :angry:  :angry:  :angry: ,  (which was really good.) now there is only this forum. Whilst i think youve done a good job, there is waaay too few people on here.

incidently, do you know, or does anyone know, for that matter, what happened to all the people who were on that site.
Haha! I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not going to ban anyone from this site unless they do something to actually warant a ban while here.

Jane has different opinions than I do, which she's entitled to. She just so happens to be the owner of nagual.net, and she has taken that site in her own direction. She's obviously entitled to do whatever she likes with it since it was given to her.

The reason there's very few people here, is because this site is less than a year old. I'd imagine that as time goes by more people will come here.

As far as where all those who used to spend time on nagual.net are now, I have no idea. Perhaps one or two may already be registered here. I can't say for sure.

All I can say is that everyone is welcome. And there will be very few restrictions on this site. I think we can all take care of ourselves just fine. Heavy moderation isn't necessary.
#4
Speaking of the old nagual site, http://www.nagual.net/ixtlan/index.html doesn't work, of course :-) I couldn't read IML when it was active, but would like to read some of it.
Does anybody has IML archived? Or is all of it lost now?
This user is a merge of users with less than 5 posts or all posts in less than one week. Maybe the merged is more interesting than the original users.

Este usuario es una combinación de usuarios con menos de 5 mensajes o que escribió todo en menos de una semana. Quizá el usuario combinado resulte mas interesante que los usuarios originales.
#5
Goddam, yh itd be great if it was archived, some of that stuff was great...did anyone on here read that Chontley stuff..or whatever it was, that was inspired!!!

Really really would like to chat to all those people again, or have a nice quicky active forum for Carlos casteneda. I hate Jane.

Plus if you read her site, its all so namby pamby. god. women.
#6
Cita:Speaking of the old nagual site, http://www.nagual.net/ixtlan/index.html doesn't work, of course :-) I couldn't read IML when it was active, but would like to read some of it.
Does anybody has IML archived? Or is all of it lost now?
I'm not sure if what you're referring to is all the "warrior notes" and such that used to be on the nagual.net site, but Jane mentioned that she still had all of that somewhere and was going to let me have it to post on this site. But that was months ago and I haven't heard anything. Maybe I should bug her about it. I'm not sure I want to bother with it though.
#7
I used to write a bit to nagual.net around 2001 and so, but not so much since the original owner (Bob something?) died.

It was very interesting to read all those posts that were there then, but I can't help thinking that we shouldn't cling onto ours or anyone else's ideas forever.
#8
Ensonar
Cita:I'm not sure if what you're referring to is all the "warrior notes"
I'm not sure what I'm referring to. Are the 'warrior notes' excerpts of letters to IML? Hopefully there's a full archive somewhere, not just excerpts.
Cita: I'm not sure I want to bother with it though.
I'd like to bother. Just tell me how to contact Jane.

Lilac
Cita:It was very interesting to read all those posts that were there then, but I can't help thinking that we shouldn't cling onto ours or anyone else's ideas forever.
I think that what other share can be of big help. This way you don't have to waste time trying to understand what someone has already understood and explained. You don't have to guess what's going on when something is going on with you, you can just find a similar experience described by someone else and read what conclusions others made.
But noone makes you agree with others' opinions.
This user is a merge of users with less than 5 posts or all posts in less than one week. Maybe the merged is more interesting than the original users.

Este usuario es una combinación de usuarios con menos de 5 mensajes o que escribió todo en menos de una semana. Quizá el usuario combinado resulte mas interesante que los usuarios originales.
#9
Plamen',

The "warrior notes" and "IML" are two different things. Warrior notes are notes that people took at some of the early Tensegrity workshops and meetings that took place when Carlos, Taisha, Florinda, and Carol were still around.

It took me a minute to figure out what you meant by "IML". I never was able to actually see the Ixtlan Mailing List. I heard of it a while back, but never got a chance to check it out.

I've just sent Jane a little reminder note. I mentioned that people were asking about the Ixtlan Mailing List and asked if we could have access to it here.

Hopefully she has the time to dig it up.
#10
DO someone here dig in the wayback machine ?

http://www.archive.org

I dont know the old material, but maybe can be useful the link
#11
I find this of the old nagual site, check it.

[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']I go to erase the post in some days for personal reasons.[/span]

"Me llego de una fuente fiable, escrito en 2000 un dia como ayer, de alguien que conoció a Derek."
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Five-pack
Newcomer posted 10-23-2000 02:30
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Please allow me to introduce myself.
I would prefer to introduce myself as 'this' or 'that',
but I cannot. I would like to tell you a name,
but we are not our names either.
I would try to tell you who I am by what what I do,
but that too is just ever-changing folly.

Short of seeing ourselves as energy flowing in the universe
we cannot really know what we are.
I have seen energy flowing in the universe,
but never well enough to see my own configuration.
So it goes, it is very difficult to know
how to properly introduce myself to you.
I will try to introduce myself via my intent.

I am a warrior. I am dedicated to enhancing my sobriety.
I am also intent upon freedom.
I seem to have an active connecting link with Spirit.
I am here right now with the intent to share this
with anyone who is willing.
I hold information.
This information has arrived within me
apparently from Spirit, via my connecting link.
It would seem to address an area of the 'Rule'
which feels relevant to our futures as warriors.

Please read the following with sober skepticism.
I hold no intent to trick anyone.
I am not soliciting for funds or power.
I am neither seeking fame nor fortune.
I seek clarification and honest reflection.
I request that you examine
the following words and ideas carefully.
I request that if these words ring true,
that you each seek validation or disqualification
in your own experiences and lives.

The 'Rule' as known thus far,
accounts for both three-part and four part beings.

Three part beings are ancient naguals
who were designed for leading war-parties
into the inorganic worlds ONLY.
This is the built in predilection of three part beings.
They were never designed to navigate open Infinity.
Their three compartments allow them
to navigate the organic world and the inorganic worlds
which are our immediate neighbors.
Three part beings come from a time
which precedes the creation of the first four part beings.
CC was, as we all know, a three part being
from just such another time!

After untold years
of war-parties launching into the IB worlds
under the guidance of three part beings,
Spirit created a four part being.
A nagual being with an additional energy compartment.
This meant that such a four part being
was able to efficiently navigate
through and beyond the immediate IB worlds
which surround this organic realm.
Four part beings have an additional cell
which allows spirit to funnel its own energy into,
during moments of great conflict or challenge.

Three part naguals
did not need this fourth cell
because all of the predators within the IB realms
were within defense range of a three celled nagual.
Beyond the IB worlds, there are fantastic predators
which can dwarf warriors and war-parties.
These extraordinary predators mandate
that any war-party travelling amongst them
have a much more efficient being to act
on behalf of their defense.
Hence, a four part nagual
has extraordinary energy resources
available to invest in the protection
of those in their regard.

In urgent moments,
a tremendous amount of energy
can be funneled through that fourth cell
to affect a formidable defense.
Juan was/is a four part being,
built to be very capable
of defending an entire war-party,
while travelling across
the unchartered waters of Infinity.
As a four part nagual,
don Juan was/is very capable
of defending against untold adversaries and predators
which may far exceed his own stature.
A four part nagual can pack a very powerful defensive punch.

Juan was/is the last of a long lineage of sorcerers.
The earliest parts of that lineage started
with three part nagual war-parties.
Generations upon untold generations
of three part nagual war-parties
left this world to navigate in the IB realms.
The later part of the lineage was/is made up of
all four part beings and war-parties.
Beings with the intent to exceed the IB worlds,
and reach the open Infinity beyond these worlds.
There were several four-part war-parties
which attempted freedom directly,
as there were also several
who launched directly into the IB worlds
only to pass through them and into Infinity at a later time.

For countless years, Spirit sent three part nagual parties
exploring the IB worlds. Then, Spirit created four part nagual parties
to allow exploration of Infinity beyond the immediate IB worlds.
Now we face a brand new reality.
Apparently, Spirit intends to send a war-party
beyond the boundaries of Infinity.
Just as with the need to add another cell
to the three part naguals allowing them greater protection resource,
Spirit has created a five part being to escort and protect
the members of such a war-party.
This war party will leave the knowable Infinity
and enter into the never explored 'inactive side of infinity'.

The five part being(s) who will escort this group
has been given an extraordinary fifth energy cell.
This energy cell is a very unique device,
exclusive to travellers intent upon travelling outside of Spirit.
This fifth cell allows such a being
to be very innovative and affective
in their defenses of themselves and those in their regard.
The fifth cell allows a five part nagual
to essentially ingest an alien enemy/adversary/predator,
and store their alien energy as a future weapon or tool,
without risking contamination or infiltration of the other cells.
It allows a five part being to confront adversaries
which have never even been imagined before.

A five part being basically eats their adversaries
and absorbs their powers into their own arsenal.
It is the only possible design
which allows for such a being to continuously mutate
to their ever changing environments.
..no matter how strange or alien these environments may get.
Five part beings are always mutating because of this.
A five part being is designed to navigate
beyond the boundaries of Spirit.
They are built to be extremely independent and resourceful,
as well as dangerous.

I may be a being such as this,
though it has little relevance.
Whatever I may or may not be has little relevance this side of Eagle.

We are independent warriors.
It is our present duty to bring ourselves
to the condition where we are able to move beyond Eagle.
Don Juan spoke that we do not need a nagual to connect with Spirit.
This is very true.
We each have our own links which we can choose to polish...or not.
We each have our own resources.
If anyone tells you that you need to use a nagual to talk with Spirit,
they are lying.
If anyone gets between you and Spirit,
push them aside. Even if myself.

Don Juan has already set the world stage through CC.
We are the players.
It is up to each of us to individually face Infinity and Eagle alone.
Out of all of us who will try, a few of us will likely not be consumed.
If I am correct, I will be waiting
at the far side of Eagle
to rendezvous with those who make it through.
If I am not, others will be there instead.
Of those who make it through, some will be four part naguals.
Some of these four part beings will be intent upon staying
and exploring within the active side of infinity.
Others may be more intent on travelling with me
into the great unexplored areas of the inactive side of infinity.
If these being choose this, then we will join into a war party
and we will head out into that great unknown
...to discover unknowable things.

If my eventual seeing bears out my five parts or otherwise,
I will surely share the details of that seeing.
If I am as I feel, then I will be awaiting
the arrival of other warriors on the far side of Eagle.
Once there, we can form war-parties or depart alone.
To the true warriors of freedom,
let no-one trap you into their submissions.
There are other naguals amongst us,
but naguals are not required for the first part of our journey,
to pass Eagle.
Naguals are only of use to warriors on the other side of Eagle,
where conditions and predators may exceed
an impeccable warriors resources.

All of the three and some of the four part naguals
will still attempt to form war-parties here on earth.
This will matter little,
because the Eagle is still imposing the passage rule of 'one at a time'.
Being a member of an Earthly war-party will not affect
your meeting with Eagle one bit.
Either you are transparent enough that you pass,
or you are thick with your own importance
and you are consumed.
Many of these same naguals will themselves be consumed.

If anyone wishes to talk about anything in this letter,
I will stay available for about one week.
Beyond that, it is up to each of us to get beyond Eagle.
Never forget that,
and you have little risk of being en-trapped by others.
I may be a real nagual being.
I may be the only real nagual being you have met?
I am telling you all, as an unverified nagual being,
that you need no-one to be your teacher or guide,
here on earth.
You do not need to join a religion or spiritual group.
You do not need to commit yourself to another.
No real nagual will ever ask you for any money or resources.
No real nagual will ever seek out students
except as controlled folly perhaps.
No nagual will ever ask you to invest in them.
Beware of false naguals and prophets.
You do not need them to get beyond Eagle.

Now, with the advent of CC, an old world three part being,
...the lineage of DJ has ended.
Some think that the ending of this lineage is an isolated event,
separate from the general affairs of man.
This is simply not so.
The lineage has ended because humanity is also at its end.
These two realities are tied together,
out there somewhere, beyond our grasp.
We are existing in the final days of the lineage of DJ.
We are also existing in the final days of physical humanity.
#12
Cita:enter into the never explored 'inactive side of infinity'.
Given that active side of infinity is intent, what inactive one is? No intent?

But the beginning was good Wink And the ending was dramatic, too.
This user is a merge of users with less than 5 posts or all posts in less than one week. Maybe the merged is more interesting than the original users.

Este usuario es una combinación de usuarios con menos de 5 mensajes o que escribió todo en menos de una semana. Quizá el usuario combinado resulte mas interesante que los usuarios originales.
#13
Interesting opinion. Perhaps he/she is right.
#14
I think he is right for the "five" explication...

And have many things equal to oral traditions i know.

The strange thing is the author of this fragment, dissapear in less than a week, but is good material, no doubt.


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