Fundamentals of Dreaming
#1
B) Faithful board members. Let us converse about dreaming.

It has come to my attention that some people think lucid dreaming and astral projection are the same thing. Before I go any further... what say you? I'm interested to know.

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#2
Not once when I've been lucid have I thought I was out of my body.
The thought was, "I am dreaming".
Similarly, not once when I've been OBE have I thought I am dreaming -
the thought was, "I'm out of my body".
So there's no confusion in the doing of them.

The similarity is that both can be reached through the dreaming attention.
If you've read "the art of dreaming", the transition between dreaming and obe is when you see your body lying there.

So technically, one can say that obe is a gate of dreaming, or that dreaming is a way to access obe states. But obe can happen without any intent on the initial dreaming gates.

Why does it matter?
Why do you care what people think about dreaming?
#3
If people see lucid dreaming as the same as OBEs, they've con-fused them.
Con-fuse means to fuse together, to make them seem the same.

So who would want to know what these confused people think about dreaming?
By "who", I mean what could be the intent of such a one wanting to know this.

The intent is to set them straight; to have them think correctly. But this is impossible. You can't think correctly; you can only see correctly.

There's no use talking about what people think, except to establish oneself as a superior thinker.
The only thing worth talking about, IMO, is the actual world. Nothing gets con-fused in the actual world. There are no confused actions. Thinking can misrepresent reality; actions can't.

So, IMO, the fact that some people THINK that lucid dreaming and OBEs are the same isn't worth discussing. I can solve this real quick: stop thinking!

There is no right way to think about dreaming. Thinking will never touch actual dreaming.

So was there something you wanted to say about dreaming, or did you just want to talk about what people think and offer other ways of thinking?

Personally, I'm not interested in what anyone has to say about lucid dreaming and OBEs being the same thing, because nothing anyone can say will alter my actual experience of lucid dreaming and OBEs. And if you haven't experienced it, I'm not interested in what you think about it. What value are such thoughts/speculations?

Could this be why no one has responded? Or maybe they don't want to volunteer themselves as "Faithful board members"...

I'm not full of faith, but I responded anyway.

Are you actually adressing your post towards people who think/speculate and are full of faith? Are these the people you wish to converse with? Or are you being loose/lazy with words? Or am I being too tight? Can a warrior be too tight? More speculation... no warrior would ever wonder what a warrior is like.

Are you familiar with the experiment of rubbing a glass rod with a silk handkerchief (sp?)? You might look into the silica content of your testicles. Wink
I'm just playin'.

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#4
Astral projection is a sub-category of lucid dreaming. While lucid dreaming, you can go where you choose. If you choose to go to places you are familiar with in your waking life, then you are astrally projecting.

I have gone to places I am familiar with in my waking life. I checked later to see if people were doing what I saw them doing. They were. I looked at my watch while dreaming and while awake and it was the same time. I don't know how relevant that is but I thought it was interesting. Nobody ever sees me.

I have learned to walk while dreaming. I went to flying school and failed. Maybe some of you were there too. I was the one who got stuck 40 flights up and had to wake up. I don't know how to talk either, so I apologize to whoever I snubbed in her library.
#5
Astral projection is a sub-category of lucid dreaming. While lucid dreaming, you can go where you choose. If you choose to go to places you are familiar with in your waking life, then you are astrally projecting.

I have gone to places I am familiar with in my waking life. I checked later to see if people were doing what I saw them doing. They were. I looked at my watch while dreaming and while awake and it was the same time. I don't know how relevant that is but I thought it was interesting. Nobody ever sees me.

I have learned to walk while dreaming. I went to flying school and failed. Maybe some of you were there too. I was the one who got stuck 40 flights up and had to wake up. I don't know how to talk either, so I apologize to whoever I snubbed in her library.
#6
The way I understand it (and I don't Understand much) is that anything that happens in the second attention is dreaming. So I assume obe, lucid dreaming etc is basically the same. So is it just the interpretation that is different?
#7
The way I understand it (and I don't Understand much) is that anything that happens in the second attention is dreaming. So I assume obe, lucid dreaming etc is basically the same. So is it just the interpretation that is different?


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