[ensonar]

It seems strange to me, that of all the Castaneda related message boards and groups i've found on the internet, no one seems to be talking much about magical passes.

I know there are people out there doing them. I've been to a few workshops and there are lots of people there. On the Cleargreen website, there are loads of practice groups listed around the world.

I know that a great aspect of this knowlege is action instead of talking, but that doesn't stop people from talking about other topics; dreaming, stalking, etc.

Does anyone have any experiences or questions about Tensegrity they would like to discuss?

I for one can't get enough of the magical passes. They slowly creeped into my life until they have now become a constant thing. And they are changing me. This I know for sure. They have helped me in numerous ways. More energy. More powerful decisions. More calmness. More clarity, etc. etc.

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

[Merged]

ofcourse...magical passes are amazing..they must be felt and they require 100 percent action. There is nothing really to say about magical passes except that a person must try them to experience them. Like you I can not get enough of them.

[Merged]

I like money and Cleargreen also does!

[ensonar]

Don't we all? But i suppose it's what you do with your money that counts.

[firefox]

So far I noticed that the passes move the centre of perception higher, the body feels lighter, this effect wears off later. Very similar to stopping the internal dialogue.
And, the pain. Some passes seem cause it, either b/c of doing them wrong (?) or something else. The pain can be intense or not, often like a small dot, can last a few days or a few hours, and sometimes a real physical damage can be dealt. It can feel like pressure sometimes, such pressure will pull something in the body and will last for days (accompanies intense pain or physical damage), even though its pulling feels like something half-physical.
Any thoughts on that?

[ensonar]

Interesting. I can't say that I've felt any pain from doing them.

I don't know if this will relate at all, but for a while I took kung fu. Part of our training was running two or 3 miles before each practice. I wasn't used to running, and my right calf had a lingering pain that was pretty much constant for 2 or 3 weeks. It didn't feel like a sore muscle from running too much. It was more like a dull/sharp pain deep in my calf muscle. I asked my instructor about it, and he said he had had the same issue when he first started. He said to just keep going and it would eventually go away. And in fact it did.

On the other hand, when I'm doing tensegrity, I notice that some of my joints tend to pop, or click, or rub together more than others, and more so with certain magical passes than others. Rather than ignore that and just keep going, I slow down and even do some of the passes almost in slow motion for a while. As I learn exactly how my body moves and reacts to the passes, I'm able to learn how to do them without causing any damage to my body. And also, I feel like this helps in gently building the muscle around certain joints to cushion them.

When I've been to a few workshops and practice groups, I've noticed that some people (especially men) tend to do the passes extremely fast. As if they're in some kind of hurry. I personally don't see any reason for this. In my experience, its very useful to start out gently and learn to do them with power and precision, rather than racing to see who can go the fastest.

I don't know if any of this addresses you're question. And I'm not sure what you mean by "real physical damage". I'd say if anything you're doing is causing real physical damage, then you must be doing something wrong.

My only advice is, listen to your body and be gentle with it.

[firefox]

Hmm, one person told me that pain means that the energy centers aren't functioning properly and that it must weaken and disappear the more you activate the centers. It even makes sense. I noticed that the pass that led to... disjoint in the spine (is that called that way in English, sorry) now only arouses a distant pulling sensation for a while.

Doing the passes slower never occured to me, thanx for the advise .

[Merged]

Can anyone tell exactly what�s the difference between Tensegrity any other movement practices, such as Tai-chi, which is also powerful and focusing on energy, the chi?

[DrakeWan]

Okay I'm going to pull an older version of carlos and ask a dumb question.. lol

What ARE the movements? I have no idea.. I haven't read magical passes yet, thats the one I need to read... so for a taste of whats to come... what is one of the movements.. ?

[ensonar]

I've never done tai chi, but from what I gather its movements are slow, flowing and graceful. Tensegrity on the other hand, has many quick striking movements, perhaps closer to kung fu than tai chi. The striking movements of tensegrity though, are directed at energy pockets; areas where energy drains to and gets crusted on the luminous shell. the striking movements break this energy up and redirect it to the vital centers in the midsection of the body.

But there are also many other movements that aren't strikes, as well as many deep breathing magical passes.

Here's a small list of some magical passes that are described through notes taken at workshops. This may give you an idea of what they are like. However, the book and dvds go into much greater detail about the meaning behind each magical pass.

http://members.aol.com/saucerer/pasindex.html