12-01-2007, 10:21 AM
Greetings ensonar,
Here is my previous post to you. It was very honest and original and could be the basis for a real dialogue. You could respond to my questions, just like I had responded to yours. When you ignore a question, there's something in it for your mind, some hiding and protecting. A real dialogue would be to expose the mind as the nothing that it is, not to protect it.
In a real conversation, one sees a question and one answers that question. Don't answer something else, or avoid it... that would be some other conversation (with yourself).
So here are observations that were aimed at exposing the belief in mind. Add to it the post before about value being something the mind is interested in. Well, here... I'll re-post both of them:
I said:
Well, what I notice is that in this last post you say I'm talking about the obvious and in your post before that you call non-duality an idea and speak of the use of aiming towards it.
Is the existence of the Nagual (as source, not leader of a group) another idea that you like and think could be useful?
Non-duality (Oneness) is what's left when all ideas are absent. The Nagual is what's left when the tonal is absent.
I don't think you're impatient. I think you're not interested. I think your lack of interest may be based on a conclusion you've made, an opinion you believe is more than just a description.
In the moment, thoughts like "heart" and "book" don't arise. I'm not being either. They're concepts that come afterwards due to thinking. "Successful", "more concise", "less pedantic"... sincerely, you're not getting the obvious. You've probably heard a million times that a warrior isn't concerned with success or failure, but you're still thinking in terms of them.
Why do you think it hasn't "gotten through"?
And the previous post:
Carlos' books are much longer than my posts, and you probably made it through them ok. And I'd say the reason is value - you thought they held something of value. You think my posts do not.
Value is another item that concerns the mind which is always seeking to acquire. I'd suggest you drop that, if you can.
Nothing here has any value, as all things are equal, as you said above. But I don't think you know what you said or you'd act accordingly.
Please reply. I'm sincerely interested.
This isn't personal. If I said "you", feel free to swap that term to the general... we're talking about any mind, not yours. All minds are the same. Let's talk about this mind that seeks knowledge and value, etc... Let's investigate it together.
Or not.
I know you replied to the second post, but you didn't address the core issue - that the mind seeks value, needs to acquire, etc. You clarified what it was that you valued (new, original) but as long as you believe in value/unvaluable, you will keep seeking value without becoming a warrior.
Isn't that so?
Here is my previous post to you. It was very honest and original and could be the basis for a real dialogue. You could respond to my questions, just like I had responded to yours. When you ignore a question, there's something in it for your mind, some hiding and protecting. A real dialogue would be to expose the mind as the nothing that it is, not to protect it.
In a real conversation, one sees a question and one answers that question. Don't answer something else, or avoid it... that would be some other conversation (with yourself).
So here are observations that were aimed at exposing the belief in mind. Add to it the post before about value being something the mind is interested in. Well, here... I'll re-post both of them:
I said:
Well, what I notice is that in this last post you say I'm talking about the obvious and in your post before that you call non-duality an idea and speak of the use of aiming towards it.
Is the existence of the Nagual (as source, not leader of a group) another idea that you like and think could be useful?
Non-duality (Oneness) is what's left when all ideas are absent. The Nagual is what's left when the tonal is absent.
I don't think you're impatient. I think you're not interested. I think your lack of interest may be based on a conclusion you've made, an opinion you believe is more than just a description.
In the moment, thoughts like "heart" and "book" don't arise. I'm not being either. They're concepts that come afterwards due to thinking. "Successful", "more concise", "less pedantic"... sincerely, you're not getting the obvious. You've probably heard a million times that a warrior isn't concerned with success or failure, but you're still thinking in terms of them.
Why do you think it hasn't "gotten through"?
And the previous post:
Carlos' books are much longer than my posts, and you probably made it through them ok. And I'd say the reason is value - you thought they held something of value. You think my posts do not.
Value is another item that concerns the mind which is always seeking to acquire. I'd suggest you drop that, if you can.
Nothing here has any value, as all things are equal, as you said above. But I don't think you know what you said or you'd act accordingly.
Please reply. I'm sincerely interested.
This isn't personal. If I said "you", feel free to swap that term to the general... we're talking about any mind, not yours. All minds are the same. Let's talk about this mind that seeks knowledge and value, etc... Let's investigate it together.
Or not.
I know you replied to the second post, but you didn't address the core issue - that the mind seeks value, needs to acquire, etc. You clarified what it was that you valued (new, original) but as long as you believe in value/unvaluable, you will keep seeking value without becoming a warrior.
Isn't that so?