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Does anyone have any specific techniques that have helped them reach greater depths of inner silence?

I have trouble getting past just a few minutes of inner silence at a time. It seems that no matter how much I remind myself and feel determined to hold the silence for long periods, I somehow slip back into internal dialogue over and over again.

There have been a few times where I was able to stay focused for longer periods, but those are really few and far between.

I'm not really sure that any advice from someone else could help much, but I am just curious of other people's experiences with inner silence and techniques used at reaching it.

The one from Castaneda's books that has helped me the most is "listening to the sounds of the world". At times I focus in on just one sound that I randomly pick out and try to stay with it as long as possible, and keep coming back to it as I begin drifting back to thinking. At other times, I try to listen to everything at once in the same manner.

Through this technique I've discovered that it is possible at times to split my attention and listen to the sounds and think at the same time. I know this isn't stopping the internal dialogue, but it does take the focus away from it when I just can't seem to be quiet. It also helps when trying to listen to a person or speaker. If my mind starts wondering, I have been finding that I can let my mind wonder and still pay attention to what they are saying at the same time. For some this might just come naturally. For me, it is a breakthrough Smile

Would anyone else like to share some techniques that have helped them reach inner silence?
22-Jun-2006 09:33 AM
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Hold your breath without reason. Stop the world, and you can do something different,
23-Jun-2006 01:21 PM
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Reeching inner silence has always been a real challenge to me. Staring at the waves of a lake helps sometimes, though. The waves take your thoughts away.

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couple it with a form of not-doing
12-Aug-2006 09:32 PM
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One method I have used is to let all the voices of the world to come into your head and imagine that those voices are happening inside your head. Then those beautifull natural or ugly technical voices kind of push your own thoughts away.

Birds, children, cars, wind, construction site, people...
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Stopping the internal dialog is a gradual process that happens a little at a time. I started by observing my internal dialog and analyzing how much of it is rooted in my cultural conditioning. Keeping notes from hour to hour for a few weeks will get you in the habit. This allows one to slowly gain control of one's internal processes. I have been on a Toltec style path for 9 years and I am just now gaining true control. I can at times stiop the internal dialog to the degree that all of the objects in my visual field lose their emotional attachments and become random shapes and objects without real depth. This often happens while driving or when concentrating on a very difficult task. It is starting to become commonplace in the last few weeks. It is an intensely sober feeling. The second someone speaks to me it kicks the internal dialog back in and I enter the flow of society.

This user is a merge of users with less than 5 posts or all posts in less than one week. Maybe the merged is more interesting than the original users.

Este usuario es una combinación de usuarios con menos de 5 mensajes o que escribió todo en menos de una semana. Quizá el usuario combinado resulte mas interesante que los usuarios originales.
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one needs patience to increase silence time, often years, anyway the very best technique is controlling one' s breath, sometimes even twenty years are not enough (especially for males Rolleyes )
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In what way do you feel the breath should be controlled? I've tried this on and off, but I don't feel that I have never got it quite right.
25-Aug-2006 04:43 PM
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in whatever way effective to calm down, personally i' ve found the breathing from the abdomen expained in the Sorcerers' Crossing very good

[QUOTE][I]"The breathing of a person who is upset, " she said leaning closer, "is rapid and shallow and is localized in the ches or head. The breathing of a relaxed person sinks to the abdomen."[I][B]
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must admit i have allways been a bit confused as to what constitutes inner silence. where do you draw the line between meditation and inner silence, is it the intent that makes it different? if i lay down and empty myself of everything, i can sustain absence of thought, and brief momments of not consciously registering the inventory i project onto the objects of my field of vision. and then i fall asleep. Ensonar i like the term you use "cognitive dissonance", do you think not-doing and internal silence are the same thing? or, Ensonar how do you think internal silence and not-doing differ.
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I think proper meditation and inner silence are the same thing.

The not-doing that is "staring objects" I taken to be just like meditating concentrating into an object.

What do words matter...

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09-Sep-2006 04:43 AM
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lilac,allow me to play devils advocate for a momment. if meditation and inner silence were the same wouldn't you find any serious student of buddism collapsing the world? Is the goal of stopping the internal dialogue just stopping your thoughts, or is there more to it? and, Is it possible to ingauge in not-doing without simultaneously being in a state of inner silence?
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Interesting case. Could it be that (the most) students of Buddism don't collapse the world because they don't do that kind of meditation that makes to loose the thoughs...? I mean that if they concentrate on pictures of Buddha, mandalas, mantras etc. then they don't have empty mind. They have the Buddha in their mind!

But if they meditate so that they loose their thoughts, do we know that they do not collapse the world? There are stories about monks flying in the air, making soaking wet clothes dry in the middle of frost and ice. And what stories there could be, that aren't told to us?

And what is zen? What are stories and activities their do just to quiet their minds...

Could there be inner silence without not-doing or not-doing without inner silence... I ques not.

...Anyway when I think about meditation, I don't always think about Buddists or Hindus. I only think about a person quieting his/hers mind. I don't know wether this idea of mine is a good one, maby "real meditation" is about having mantras, pictures of saints... But I hope not.
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good point, maybe monks that meditate are focusing on the "mold of man" or something. i guess until i take real action and accrue enough inner silence it will just be a "tale of power" for me.
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Maybe the monks can't collapse the world coz they don't intend to. They intend to merge with 'God', as far as I know. To get a revelation and other such things. That's a bit too far from intending your internal dialogue to truly stop and collapse the world.
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Cita: Would anyone else like to share some techniques that have helped them reach inner silence?
Strong usage of voice with the intent of inner silence.
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Cita: In what way do you feel the breath should be controlled? I've tried this on and off, but I don't feel that I have never got it quite right.
Attention is the key. Learn to be attentive, become aware of what is happening when you breathe. I don't think it's usually a good idea to deliberately force the breath. Use attention. And if you find some thread to follow and it feels useful, let the power guide.
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You didn't learn how to read and write at the same time you were learning the alphabet..

you had to focus on each seperately.. yet using techniques from each of them..



Just focus on breath until you get it where you want it.. everything else will follow behind..
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You didn't learn how to read and write at the same time you were learning the alphabet..

you had to focus on each seperately.. yet using techniques from each of them..



Just focus on breath until you get it where you want it.. everything else will follow behind..
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Cita:"The one from Castaneda's books that has helped me the most is "listening to the sounds of the world". At times I focus in on just one sound that I randomly pick out and try to stay with it as long as possible, and keep coming back to it as I begin drifting back to thinking. At other times, I try to listen to everything at once in the same manner."
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Listening to the sounds of the world is a good way to stop the internal dialogue. When your inner chatter returns, try listening to that in a detatched way as if it is independent of you, just like the other sounds around you. I think we give power to our inner talk by reacting to it, either in a positive or negative way.
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