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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
I read on the temezcal, How it has evolved to better suite us now in day. For example, the floors are made of concrete, and the entries are bigger in order to allow people in wheelchairs to pass easily.

Maybe Nagualism has not evolved and maybe there is no need for it to evolve, but how does the path adapt itself ? How do we adapt this life to modern time?
11-Apr-2007 10:28 AM
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
I cant understand the objective of the question.

Do you are asking for a purpose of nagualism in diary life or any relation between temazcal and nagualism?

Marco Antonio Arenas Chipola fue expulsado por insultar a mujeres y reclutador para sectas. Se confirma en el año 2009 que ha sido reclutado por la secta templo de la serpiente emplumada, y que realizó robo de un perro con pedigree hacia nuestra AC, además de despojo a su maestro de artes Marciales, Hoffner Long.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Cita:I read on the temezcal, How it has evolved to better suite us now in day. For example, the floors are made of concrete, and the entries are bigger in order to allow people in wheelchairs to pass easily.

Maybe Nagualism has not evolved and maybe there is no need for it to evolve, but how does the path adapt itself ? How do we adapt this life to modern time?


I do not think Nagualism fits in the "human" concept of evolution, besides that we humans are the ones who have to evolve (in the wide sense) first to understand what Nagualism or the Red Path is and then perhaps we will be able to go beyond that.

Where are you from Quetzal? Could you please tell us a little bit of your background please?

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11-Apr-2007 12:59 PM
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
I believe that Quetzal is asking about how nagualism evolved to modern culture as much as temazcal has...I wouldn't have many good examples of the evolution of nagualism, but I'm sure that having a forum on the Internet and having people sharing concepts openly, regardless of cultures and nationalities could be a good start for thinking about evolution of nagualism...By reading the early Castaneda one can also think that many of the things the " old timers" could actually perform, are things that some how aren't the best way to make things happen for the naguals of today...

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11-Apr-2007 01:02 PM
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
But in any case we are then talking about the evolution of the ways to teach Nagualism right? according to the times, not an evolution of the Nagualism per se. I think the principles (and I mean the principles) of this path go beyond time, right?
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Cita:I cant understand the objective of the question.

Do you are asking for a purpose of nagualism in diary life or any relation between temazcal and nagualism?
Hi Chipola,


Maybe I didn’t word it correctly.

The General Idea I have of a Nagual is that they are off in the Jungles and rarely surface this is based on our past.
Now that we have cities and jobs wife’s or husbands Children etc.. How does nagualism affect us or benefit us how does it fit into our lives today?

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Cita:But in any case we are then talking about the evolution of the ways to teach Nagualism right? according to the times, not an evolution of the Nagualism per se. I think the principles (and I mean the principles) of this path go beyond time, right?

Yes Juan Carlos,
Nagualism is perfect the way it is, It does not need to evolve, it has no growth or shrinkage it is not limited by time or mesure.
my question is more on how do we apply it today? Mordern time.

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The evolution is a INDIVIDUAL Chance, not plural, ethnic or racial chance , at first time at least.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Cita:I cant understand the objective of the question.

Do you are asking for a purpose of nagualism in diary life or any relation between temazcal and nagualism?
Hi Chipola,
I didn't mean to make a connection with the Temezcal and Nagualism it was just an example.

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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Maybe Quetzal the problem is the Temazcal and Nagualism are different Tools of the same box. Each have a place, you cant remove easily a philips screw (tornillo) with a hammer.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Maybe I didn’t word it correctly.

The General Idea I have of a Nagual is that they are off in the Jungles and rarely surface this is based on our past.
Now that we have cities and jobs wife’s or husbands Children etc.. How does nagualism affect us or benefit us how does it fit into our lives today?

Quetzal
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Well, actually the real challenge is exactly at the place you are... you do not need to retreat yourself to apply Nagualism in your life, Alfonso told me one day that it is good to make some retreat from time to time if you actually want to do that, but you should come back to your world. You just have to be clear in what you want and what you are doing... Nagualism in modern life is totally possible, it is just a matter of doing what is right even if you are in the jungle or in the city.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Maybe Quetzal, you need check some of Karma Yoga in Google.

The problem in the real Nagualism, is PERMANENT retreat of the world , is not allowed. You was born in one place for one reason.

In terms of ceremonial magic (Golden Dawn ety al): Is more difficult the use of earth, water and air magic in cities, only the Fire magic functions witghout extra obstacles. You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Cita:Maybe Quetzal, you need check some of Karma Yoga in Google.

The problem in the real Nagualism, is PERMANENT retreat of the world , is not allowed. You was born in one place for one reason.

In terms of ceremonial magic (Golden Dawn ety al): Is more difficult the use of earth, water and air magic in cities, only the Fire magic functions witghout extra obstacles. You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning.


Hi Nagual,
I think I understand what your saying, But I didn't understand the "You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning."
Can you explain that in lamest terms?
Thank you
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
City is not for the wolf. Is for the man.
City is not for the Jaguar. Is for the man.

Forest is not for the Man, is for the wolf.
Jungle is not for the Man, is for the jaguar.

If you try to sell Ice in The south pole, no much people need it. Some people try to do that.

The solution is the Hybrid.

As a man you can do some things, use a computer, as a wolf, not.

As a wolf you can run quickly. In a city, a man can use a vehicle.

If u use a vehicle in the forrest, can not climb trees WITH THE VEHICLE.
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Quetzal would it bother you if I asked where are you from??

To receive true spiritual guidance
One must deal with the past
Have faith in the future
But live in the present
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Nagualism dont have a lot of rites and practices like other ways such chamanism

say like a Nagualic Temazcal is the same to say Castaneda's topic was chamanism

Marco Antonio Arenas Chipola fue expulsado por insultar a mujeres y reclutador para sectas. Se confirma en el año 2009 que ha sido reclutado por la secta templo de la serpiente emplumada, y que realizó robo de un perro con pedigree hacia nuestra AC, además de despojo a su maestro de artes Marciales, Hoffner Long.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Hi Chipola,
I think what your saying is that using Nagualism and Temezcal together is like an Oxymoron.
If thats what you mean then I understand.
Thank you for clearing things up.

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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Your english and sintaxis for be a native speaker is a little weird.

Whats the meaning of "if thats"? maybe is a stuff such slang or something like that.

Marco Antonio Arenas Chipola fue expulsado por insultar a mujeres y reclutador para sectas. Se confirma en el año 2009 que ha sido reclutado por la secta templo de la serpiente emplumada, y que realizó robo de un perro con pedigree hacia nuestra AC, además de despojo a su maestro de artes Marciales, Hoffner Long.
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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Chipola,
senifica "si eso" "if that's" or "if that is" es lo mismo but in Short it's not slang its Proper.

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How does Nagualism apply to modern life?
Chipola, I think Quetzal´s English is fine. ¨If that´s¨ means ¨si es eso¨ in free translation he says:

¨Si es eso lo que quieres decir, entonces lo entiendo¨

He´s being polite, and a lot of English speakers make mistakes just as we do in Spanish.

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12-Apr-2007 04:37 PM
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