[ensonar]

Beautifully put. Thank you

[firefox]

It seems to me that we're discussing loneliness here... And probably that's why this forum exists, too - people want to keep their image, not just to share information? I often have that 'I'm so lonely that I want to die' mood. What can be done about it? Impeccability can be done about it, I think Recapitulation can help to sever links to others and make you detached. But, it's a long way to go...
In fact, you know that you have nothing in common with people around, they are who they are and are happy to be. But still you feel like you want their company. Why? Their company, even as useless as it is, makes you feel that you 'exist'. But what exists is that 'image for others' that CC and others tried so hard to eliminate.
If you tell someone about nagualism, you're destroying your chances at freedom. You're adding nagualism to your image, so that you'll have to stop practicing nagualism now to eliminate that image. A dead end.
Why stopping to practice makes you feel suddenly free? I think that happens when you lost your motivation and are trying to find it. CC had gaps in his apprenticeship, too We're changing, we're requestioning ourselves what we want all the time. And we might stop practicing altogether, coz there's noone to nudge us. So it's not surprising. For myself I decided to never requestion myself again - the changes in my 'character' happen often anyway, so that motivation has to be renewed all the time. One thing fits the idea about responsibility and inability to cancel one's decisions: if you start questioning yourself, just remind yourself that you've made the decision already and you're the one responsible for it. Works for me so far.

[Lilac]

The main reason for searching people who practise "nagualism" for me is about finding a proof that these things do work and I'm not after illusions. The human world has quite a hold on me, and it is poisonous and deadly.

I guess there is no proof, there are no ways to really know that there is a freedom and it can be reached. All I can do is try to be as impeccable as I can, because it's the only way to be to me. And I know I do about the exact opposite to that. I'm a fart.

[ensonar]

I just do it for kicks! It's fun talking

[Jin]

proof comes with time, but it allways is a personal one (or maybe shared if you have other who know)

For me it took some time (though with damage to body thought power plants)
But i can't regret anything (cheers for recapitulation)

I feel that what i've seen is just the begining

Now I'am looking for people who will join me, but not much progress there, tricking people into it isnt easy and it's going slow.

The thing i'am wondering is about the part where Power selects apprentices and that naguals don't just go around just picking people...

I'am kinda breaking this rule, but on the other hand, if i live with power then the feeling, that that person could follow it is all i need for that ? about omens ? The way things happens works diferent for diferent warriors, my intuition makes that decidions and so far it haven't let me down.
On the other hand when DJ was sitting with CC in the park near the church and asked CC to evaluate Tonals, he said that CC doesn't have enought Personal Power to bring a warrior just propert tonals. So if a power bring me a proper tonal - it is power that does it, so could count as an omen ? =) Of should i wait for something to happen before i act ?
comments ?

[ensonar]

So if a power bring me a proper tonal - it is power that does it, so could count as an omen ? =) Of should i wait for something to happen before i act ?

So you are looking for other "proper tonals" to join you? Join you in what way? For what reason?

[Jin]

to ceate a new group
CC works are not popular in my country, so i will introduce them myself
I've met few starlkers in day-to-day world, now it's the tricking part and teaching rest of knowledge
allhough I might be bending some of teachings and adding new things (from other sources), I feel it will come out good anyway

will see

[DrakeWan]

one cannot teach these things until one fully understands.... that is to say... one who has seen the beginning and the end.

To teach without a good grasp is leading others into a pit.. the pity is... you will fall into it first.

[Jin]

maybe i've seen it, and lived it.
remembering it is the hard part

[ensonar]

Many of us are not mature enough to stop playing pretend. I've seen it over and over on Nagualism based message boards and groups. Everyone wants to pretend they're a nagual, pretending that they have something to teach the rest of us, or they want to start a "group". Why not be humble and be concerned only with becoming a mature and focused warrior? Wanting to start a group is nothing but putting yourself in a place of importance.

Don Juan didn't "want" to start a group. Don Juan didn't pick people to be in his party. Intent chose and he acquiesced. As he said, he wasn't concerned with teaching anyone, his only concern was continuing his lineage. And as we know, that lineage stopped with Carlos, Florinda, Taisha, and Carol.

In my opinion we are all now part of the new configuration. Carlos spread this knowledge far and wide with his books. I am not saying that new configurations, or groups wouldn't be possible. Anything is possible. But I feel very confident that new configurations would not be put together by someone who goes around telling people about it on a message board. It would be by someone who SEES. And not someone who goes around telling people that they see on message boards... warriors don't go around boasting things. And also it wouldn't be someone who defends themselves on message boards either.

A true warrior-seer may not be easy to spot if they are purposely remaining hidden, but a sham-warrior can be spotted in a second, by the childish way they approach things.

That being said, I'm not trying to put you down Jin. I come off a bit harshly sometimes, but don't take it personally. We're all dumb-asses most of the time.