[ensonar]

I agree with much of what you've said. However, there are a few things I'd like to clarify, and a few things i'd like to have you clarify, so we can better understand each other.

would it not be self importance to think what they have to say is pretending?

When I say this, it's because I feel that people sometimes read Carlos' books and begin to have childlike fantasies about being a nagual and leading a group of warriors. Perhaps, I am too quick to jump to this conclusion, because I have seen it many times on the Internet. And perhaps their intentions may still be positive, and perhaps it is all part of the process of growing and learning for many people to go through this phase. But at the same time, I'm not sure that I should refrain from mentioning it when I see it. Do you feel I'm approaching this in the wrong way? Do you think my assumptions are wrong?

'mature' ? Don Juan and Don Genaro were anything but mature.. lol
neither were they overly humble...
they were impeccable. nothing more, nothing less.

I think this may just be a matter of semantics. I realize each time that I say the word "childish" and "mature" that they may be taken the wrong way. Maybe I should find better terms to express what I'm meaning. I think it's the ultimate accomplishment to be completely child-like and yet completely mature and refined. Yes, impeccable.

Children watch a movie then run around pretending to be the person in the movie, a superhero or whatever. But I feel that there's a time when a child realizes that they don't have to pretend. They can be the superhero. But they have to take actions to reach the superhero level. And that's when maturity begins. By maturity I don't mean being a stuffy, serious older person, but a warrior who lives the fantasy rather than just fantasizing in their heads.

But I do like your suggestion of replacing the word maturity with impeccability. It is much more appropriate.

We're hardly being impeccable squabbling over mere words or ideas...
What I'm proposing here is that we help anyone and everyone no matter how stupid we may think it is... theres nothing really to lose.

I agree, but at the same time would like not to shy away from little squabbles, or dissagreement as they occur. In other words, I for a long time was for the most part, very non-confrontational. But the main reason for that was timidity on my part. I think it takes impeccability to be able to critize and take critisism gracefully. I certainly am not always the most graceful, but for me I believe it is part of a process of becoming more refined and impeccable to be able to go through this.

So please feel free to tell me if you ever feel that I am wrong, or what in particular you feel my abberations may be. I would love to hear the views of others. Gracias!