[Lilac]

I went and checked the terms:

The Power of Silence, p. 78 (Washington Square Press -version):

Don Juan explained to me that ruthlessness, cunning, patience and sweetness were the essence of stalking.

My worst area is the patience. I have none what so ever. Sweetness is possible sometimes, ruthlessness comes to me if I just can't care anymore about a certain thing or person. Cunning... maby sometimes.

But one should learn to live these things, to breath them in and out of him/herself...

[jonian]

Scout,

Stalking should begin with the four emotions: fear, anger, joy and melancholy.

where did you find that? it doesn' t exist anywhere...

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http://www.cleargreen.org/english/updates/note.cfm

[firefox]

My worst area is the patience. I have none what so ever. Sweetness is possible sometimes, ruthlessness comes to me if I just can't care anymore about a certain thing or person. Cunning... maby sometimes.
But one should learn to live these things, to breath them in and out of him/herself...

Could you be talking of different kinds of patience, ruthlessness, cunning and sweetness?
Surely impeccable warriors don't practice self-masochism (patience), cruelty and indifference (ruthlessness), self-importance disguised as cunning, and fake kindness? It makes me think that stalking isn't possible without impeccability to make you feel 'right' moods instead of, say, our 'human version' of patience that is usually based on a mix of other energy-draining emotions.
Has it any sense at all to try to enter those four moods? They'd be fake, imagined and forced anyway, and they wouldn't be impeccable and would be draining. They must come in time, on their own accord. You can't enter what you don't yet know. If anything, these moods can't be forced and heavy, that must mean they're not the moods of stalking at all

[ryan]

I agree with firefox, and I've found that my definitions of those words (the moods) progress. The important thing is to apply them in whatever form, and make the corrections on an on going basis. At first I used the moods as a license to do whatever I wanted and not feel remorse. I did this more out of ignorance or maybe as a kind of reflexive action due to the habitual position of my assemblege point. Then I realized that I had to perfect it on the self before it could be used effectivly on other people. Energy is energy, sometimes it carries me away quite a distance until I become aware of it and consciously change it's direction, this takes time.

[Lilac]

Well, I haven't exactly been practising those feelings deliberately. I just have made my observations after some certain situation is over... (How did I behave and what was my inner feeling and so on.)

:lol:

I don't know if one should forcefully try to have those feelings. Or do they come around naturally when one is being impeccable?

[ensonar]

I don't know if one should forcefully try to have those feelings. Or do they come around naturally when one is being impeccable?

In my experience, it's a bit of both. As with everything, it seems to be a balance of forces. A little forcing, a little releasing, until finally you reach a middle point. At that point action and intention become one, and there is no longer a need for concern.

[cada dia]

I have been using a technique for the last few months for stalking the self. I started out by pausing every few hours to make a note on the state of my mind, then I increased the frequency. With some effort I was able to dispense with the notes and check in on myself mentally every 15 to 20 minutes....a habit formed. Whenever my awareness changes a check automatically happens. I try to objectively observe what I am thinking and feeling. This has led to much tighter control over my emotional processes. The frequency of emotional upset and drama in my life has dropped considerably presenting a saving of energy that would otherwise be spent on such wasteful acts. This has also given me greater control over my perception and allowed me to assume responsibility for myself down to the level of my thoughts.

Yeah it is powerfull stalking exersice. I notice that i cant use this practice every day very long. I writing my notebook few weeks and stalking myself. energy grows. but then something brokes inside and I can not even to look at notebook. It is hard to open it. something inside of me hate this practice. some time this pause is very long

[true]

Greetings,
I'm jumping in late here, so bare with me (intentional spelling pun).

Lying is most certainly a part of stalking and stalking oneself. If you'll recall, DJ instructs CC to lie to others and himself until he no longer knows what's true and what's lie. CC says he doesn't like to deceive people and DJ says we deceive everyone anyway - something like that. If anyone wishes, I'll take the time to find the exact quote. This, to me, relates to their conversation about personal history when CC says "Well surely you know who you are, DJ - don't you?" And DJ replies, "Sure I..... don't."
To put all that together, lying and telling the truth are relative - they're only valid (maybe CC would use the term applicability) in reference or context of some other time or event. So basically, to tell the truth or a lie (why is it always the truth and a lie? :blink: ) you have to carry your past with you and keep reaffirming it, re-presenting it; you have to keep your personal history alive.
So one needs to see the direct connection between honesty and personal history, or dishonesty and personal history. You see, the emphasis, for a warrior anyways, shouldn't be on honesty or dishonesty, both are personal history - both require you to maintain an idea of yourself and thus be anchored in the past. The emphasis is to free yourself of the self - to be free of personal history. Warriors are not moral. Their impeccability is strictly a matter of saving energy. And it requires more energy to drag your past around (a "good" past or a "bad" past) than to be present.
On the other hand, if you're going to live in the world and relate to others in business and relationships, etc, you're probably going to have to practice honesty to a large degree. You're going to have to have a consistent idea of self to present to those people or they won't tolerate you for long.

[BratscheWarrior]

i would add that while yes, warriors are not moral beings, we must live life with honor.

[Merged]

when one does not know them self, then it is easier to lie. They have an, lets call it an "agreement" with their self. If they lie then it doesn't have to be real and if it's not real then it's not presant (it's future-fantacy-that's come from a so called harmed or hurt past) and if it's not presant then the person is lost in another realm of reality. To stalk ones self and to see "when" he/she is lying. They will at least, in my past, will see that it comes from fear. Regardless of wether it's right or wrong... says that a person is ether lying to hide out of fear of rejection or they lie to manipulate (control). If they stalk them self and see what path the lie comes from, would be grand. But they should know that if they are ok with lying, than a lying reality they will create.

I don't see right and wrong in lying. People do it to feel safe! But what is safty but another illusion of what we want because we fear we wont get it. we lie because of personal history. If we are without personal history and are presant, than we naturally become lie free! Care free. Silent and Still mind.

Personal history is what we should stalk in our self. Start taking notes next time you "feel" an emotion other than oneness or this warmth in yor chest (not to be confused with careing or sympathy). That feeling can be traced back to another time or memory which goes back further. Find where the source comes from...Know wether this emotion is worth bringing with you. (recapitulate and let go) :wacko:


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