The Use Of Salvia Divinorum

Could it be the spirit giving us a good way of learning these techniques?… I’ve personally used salvia quite a bit, without using any of the knowledge of don juan, but I find it odd, almost everyone who takes it is instantly transported to a position of choosing two awareness’s or two realities.. and a lot of people have no idea which reality they chose…

in my normal awareness I’m actually really hesitant of smoking salvia.. but once I’m ‘high’ .. I ‘somewhat’ enjoy it… but always utilize parts of my inventory… I was wondering if anyone has any information or experiences of their own?…. Could be a good discussion…

Salvia divinorum is a perennial labiate used for curing and divination by the Mazatec Indians of Oaxaca, Mexico…. I know its the MAZatecs.. but still … It is VERY powerful in the shifts/movements it creates. They use it to divine things… in my understanding that means it strengthens the link between intent and us… or something similar.. I can’t explain…. I just never have an intent when smoking it other than to ‘see’ what happens.. usually more literally than not.. ‘with eyes’… not with silent knowledge.

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28 Commentsto The Use Of Salvia Divinorum

  1. ensonar dice:

    It’s funny that you described it as splitting a person in two. I’ve only used it once, but it made me feel exactly that. There was one side of me that could clearly witness what was going on, there was another side that was completely absorbed in the strange sensations I was experiencing.

  2. Jin dice:

    tried it few times
    salvia alone wasn’t very pleasant, can’t realy describe though

    ate mushrooms and smokes once, with a watcher
    first 1,5 min were not recorded in my memory, i was doing somthing but it doesn’t make sense (maybe thats good thought 😀 )
    then first images i rememberd where totaly imposiable to describe + adding a total time distorbtion (that i had most of time when i tried it – there was a feeling like all my being is stuck in a time frame (same when mixed with weed) idea of this current time just beeing a recollection of a memory in live that i have already lived, a feeling of beeing stuck in time. (later realisations came from mixint salvia with weed) + many more things, that i can’t realy describe, at least not yet…

  3. Merged dice:

    I found Salvia to be an extreamly harsh jump of the assemblage point from norm position to a very specific position, one I was unfamilliar with. I actually felt the crack in my energetic shell and was trying to close it because I felt it was too weak to handle the shift, I felt I was involentarrily trying to open that crack, IE: my tonal was trying to kill me instead of allowing me to percieve.
    Of course after the effects had dissapated I immediatly had this attack of morbidity, I felt like I was a really horrable person who had done something Very, Very wrong. Isn’t it amazing how the tonal will try ANYTHING it can to get our attention, lol
    It was quite a lesson, all in all.

    Be well warriors.

  4. blu129 dice:

    I got bored one day at work and took a slightly bigger than average hit of salvia. its strong stuff anyway. Needless to say i was sideways for a few min. i watched as people around the office dragged their dead bodies across the room doing various activities.

    made me feel empty for a bit, but otherwise normal.

  5. Jin dice:

    anyone tried salvia 5x or 10x ? 🙂

  6. Warbaryan dice:

    anyone tried salvia 5x or 10x ? 🙂

    Or being totally drunk AND stoned and trying to do Tensegrity?

  7. DrakeWan dice:

    anyone tried salvia 5x or 10x ? 🙂

    Or being totally drunk AND stoned and trying to do Tensegrity?

    anyone tried salvia 5x or 10x ? 🙂

    Or being totally drunk AND stoned and trying to do Tensegrity?

    Hawiian Salvia is the best… and yes.. I’ve tried 50x… it gets a bit ridiculus after 20x.. because how the hell can you infuse a leaf with more extract? it’ll only hold a certain amount.. so the extracts are BS… IMO… once you get to 20x I think thats the most u can get infused into the leaf..

    but I would much rather do Tensegrity high on salvia rather than on alcohol..
    alcohol LOWERs the personal frequency of the user… the idea of nagualism is to raise your personal vibration… salvia vibrates on its own frequency and causes you to match its vibration when you smoke it.. or drink it… which is the shift in assemblage point you’re all talking about..
    Alcohol is used to speak to the masses… it lowers a persons frequency to match other peoples vibration..

  8. Warbaryan dice:

    alcohol LOWERs the personal frequency of the user… the idea of nagualism is to raise your personal vibration…

    I’ve never heard of this theory. Sounds like fun…??

    So, bass is not needed? Just treble? Huh. Would hurt your ears seriously in the end, wouldn’t it.

    The idea of nagualism is to fix my kitchen sink. No petroleum, just pure sugar. Sugar is good. The tooth fairy likes it. :rolleyes:

  9. DrakeWan dice:

    alcohol LOWERs the personal frequency of the user… the idea of nagualism is to raise your personal vibration…

    I’ve never heard of this theory. Sounds like fun…??

    So, bass is not needed? Just treble? Huh. Would hurt your ears seriously in the end, wouldn’t it.

    The idea of nagualism is to fix my kitchen sink. No petroleum, just pure sugar. Sugar is good. The tooth fairy likes it. :rolleyes:

    wow, you do good to enrage people don’t you… well too bad fizzle.. I seen your intentions and bypass their feeble attempts.. and I give you a play by play so you can see your own designs failing because you are not operating from a path with a heart but you are mean and heartless and without balance..

    If you understood what I was saying you wouldn’t be so cynical.. it seems a lot of you supposed ‘naguals’ are quite cynical…

    but nevermind your petty jokes… sorry you don’t understand the ionosphere or frequencies.. its not my fault you lack these terms or concepts.. be them as artificial as your mind.. but these concepts as unimportant as they are, help in the construction of thought… and its functions.. you are after ‘freedom’ are you not? .. that WAS what Don Juan taught wasn’t it? … does knowledge not bring freedom from ignorance? ..

    by any means you can continue your games … but as you spin around the millstone.. toiling in decay.. when your master comes to unleash you, you will still be in the same place… because you have waited for someone to bring you knowledge, instead of taking what was already there. I hope your wait isn’t much longer..
    I guess you don’t know much about hypnotism or thought science? .. naguals were intelligent seers because they could SEE energy… you might want to heed the new science which claims to do such a thing.. considering the naguals are now the ones who run the world…being the sorcerers of antiquity..

    Wow. look at the sugar pour out of my mouth… but atleast I’m keeping positive… on my path with a heart… I can atleast throw some intelligence in with my rants and insults..

  10. the_ally dice:

    For me salvia was a learing experience. Learning to control your self while smoking salvia is sort of like a really vivid powerfull lucid dream. You understand what is happeneing but it is so intense you dont really understand it at the moment. For me my most intesne experience was when after i smoked it an entity came to me and the took me to my home town and we walked around for like 30 seconds, but then it said it had to go and that i would find it next time i smoked . And then I was back and it was over as quickly as it started. I feel like there is a whole undiscovered world while under salvia and its just waiting to be discovered.

    FOR PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT TRYING SALVIA READ THIS

    Salvia is an amazing thing. But in order to obtain the full affects and benefits you must get the savia to a certain high heat. To do this i suggest using a water pipe or just a regular pipe. Because if you just smoke it normal you wont feel anything except a bit high. But if you smoke it with a pipe and hold in the smoke for as long as possible you can have really amazing experiences. Also i suggest going with a flavored salvia becuase the normal stuff tastes terrible. And when you do it be sure to be somwhere quiet where no one will bug you. But it is always good to have sober sitter. so the I suggest for somone just starting out go with the 5x.
    After the 5x move to the 10x. After about 5 times with the 10x you should feel fairly comfortable. Then this is where the real journey begins. Moving on try the 20x. Also ive heard about an extract that you just put a dab on your tounge. But i havnt tried it yet. And finally for those of you who dont like to smoke you can buy a vaporizer. It eliminates all the smoke. But its a more expensive alternative

  11. DrakeWan dice:

    I have done some studies on the chemical makeup of salvia.. (a widely used aztec, ‘hallucinogen’)… and found that while it is true it should be heated to a certain degree.. it should also be smoke from a pipe with a great air-flow.. it requires a certain amount of oxygen (air) to be very potent… I personally use a small glass pyrex pipe, that has an amazing air-flow causing a very harsh but ‘intense’ hit..

    The amazing time is when you feel like the vibrations or ‘chaos’ inside of you instead of out side of you.. they are easier to control….. it’ll happy if you stay still for awhile..
    like start your experiences sitting in a chair.. or on the ground almost laying down.. very comfortable and don’t try and move yet.. work from the inside out.. The best thing to do, is look at a tree.. or some sort of vegetation… and just think…. do not control anything.. just FLOW… be fluid like a warrior.. and just sit and watch… it is highly profound.. keep doing this… until you feel invigorated to smoke it.. when its a thrill and almost addictive.. because generally salvia is a very hated or feared drug.. not a pleasant one like marijuana.. so to build this relationship with salvia is necessary.. it doesn’t welcome everyone….. ONLY a warrior.. You truly have to be strong and on a path with a heart or you will be terrified.. or confused.. Salvia is gentle .. but .. not only.. it is the duality yet the singularity.. you can divine great things with it.. and know all things.. it is amazing. But not necessary after you build the relationship.. after that.. ‘she’ is always there.

  12. the_ally dice:

    i do agree, salvia is not for everyone. Almost everyperson ive talked to about it said that they didnt like it and that it was scary or that it just wasnt a good experience. for me it was an amazinging experience. I cant wait till i get back to the states so i can use it again. Was there ever any mention of salvia in CC books?

    Drakewan do you want to share any of your experiences?

  13. DrakeWan dice:

    i do agree, salvia is not for everyone. Almost everyperson ive talked to about it said that they didnt like it and that it was scary or that it just wasnt a good experience. for me it was an amazinging experience. I cant wait till i get back to the states so i can use it again. Was there ever any mention of salvia in CC books?

    Drakewan do you want to share any of your experiences?

    they are my own and would only distract from your own… but I will say.. that when you peer and focus on a certain thing, you can become greatly aquainted with it, if you are ‘polite’… and accepting of thought… be fluid.. no control..

    reading these two pages might assist in some freedom of thought..

    [url=http://yudkowsky.net/virtues/]http://yudkowsky.net/virtues/[/url]
    [url=http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm]http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm[/url]

    although they are still constructs.. they atleast lead to greater understanding..
    take them for what they are… words.. with sequence that have effect on your thought process, for either a positive or negative reason..
    I believe if you even sit and do this without salvia you can accomplish this.. it just takes focus and concentration… and being fluent.. to just observe something for a very long time.. salvia has her own way of bringing you to greet the objects of your focus..
    when you fine tune you outter-vision.. move to observing thoughts that you create.. but don’t get caught up with any one of them.. they are all the same.. just thought. that is all there is.. see them all as equal and you will be free to choose all of them.

  14. Merged dice:

    I’ve only used salvia a handful of times, but the effects were always a disturbing challenge to deal with. I consistently get this feeling of a wind blowing gale force inside my being. Probably this is my experience of the shift of the assemblage. I inevitably become aware of lots of beings around me. The first time I had the distinct impression of being plucked out of the ground by a giant hand. Then the floor fell away to an abyss. I’m typically of the opinion that sometimes the beings are fellow travellers who I don’t know. The last time I felt as if dozens of sets of eyes suddenly opened perpendicular to my upright angle, as if in this reality I was laying down. I had the simultaneous sensation of being in some sort of cathedral setting. These beings seemed to have this how dare you, mortal attitude. That last time I just said, I belong here tending the incense and wax, and it caused a shift from that hostility. It seems important to assert your right to travel in these threads humbly. I think salvia could be useful for developing and practicing control in dream states, since it seems to be a parallel state, with the added bonus of being awake throughout the experience.

  15. Chipola_english forum dice:

    I think that is not a use for a plant, is an abuse.

    In Mexico is very uncommon use plant of that way (shortcuts to illumination).

    A way dont have shortcuts. Consist only in a simple and straight walking.

  16. ensonar dice:

    A way dont have shortcuts. Consist only in a simple and straight walking.

    I like this, very much.

  17. Merged dice:

    My opinion, and please take it as nothing more than an opinion is that there were sophisticated uses of the numerous hallucinogenic species of flora(and fauna if you include the bufo toad)native to what is now Mexico. In CC’s first book, which I have the inclination to believe is his most authentic goes along with what years of ethnography and archaeology have asserted on that subject. These indigenous psychic abilities are something we cannot understand without the technology, much as if we were trying to explain a jet engine to a medieval peasant in Europe (they would probably have labeled it witchcraft too). I happen to believe that it was through the systematic use of powerful hallucinogens that they contacted very real entities (allies or other inorganic beings? the spirit of Man? uayob?) that communicated explicitly what is still one of the worlds most accurate calendars. There is no other explanation with the possible exception of the practice of head binding/skull shaping how any people of that age, anywhere in the world could calculate time in way that is still very difficult to conceptualize. In fact it flies in the face of the assertions that these substances should be schedule 1 since there have been obvious uses historically that were included in pharmacopias and religious rites. This is relevant to of course the subject as a whole, salvia in particular was never mentioned to my recollection in any of CC’s books and remains unscheduled in the US, but there is no doubt it was and is used in some parts of Mexico, particularily Oaxaca. If I’m not mistaken that was where the “western” world came across hallucinogenic psilocybin mushrooms as well, also which were discussed in the teachings of Don Juan. Speaking of the assemblage point, hallucinogens and whatnot, has anybody heard of psilocybin being the only treatment developed so far to treat OCD? The treatment group was small, but it makes sense.

  18. Chipola_english forum dice:

    I will check the first book, to find the subject Enteogen substances and calendar or any mention of that.
    In Mexico, the use of poisonus toad such as enteogen is very very rare, the most common use is in Australia.

    Still, insist, the use of enteogenic substances to achieve a goal, in this case learn about time measurement, or the most common case, an extatic state is a little uncommon.

    Maybe Im in a error.

  19. DrakeWan dice:

    I take offense to ANYONE who says that taking any kind of entheogenic substance, or any psychedelic substance is a short-cut… that is utter BS. Only people afraid of them say that kind of shit… It’s actually toooo much work…

    Those “drugs” force you to deal with very difficult concepts and memories and philosophies it literally changes your internal landscape… and a skilled person can attain great states thru experience and great discipline… so for you to spout off about how its a short-cut is utter garbage to me.
    It takes great discipline to get the spirit of Salvia to speak with you and to show you things.. not just any fool can do such things… it TAKES WORK, there are no short cuts taking drugs… only clowns who like to act like a character think they are short-cuts because thats what they were looking for… Try looking with your EYES! and listening with your ears… because everything has a way of communicating with you, and different plants when ingested can give you a great understanding of its view-point and relationship with the world thru its eyes.

  20. the_ally dice:

    i agree 100%, hey i have been thinking latly. When i get back to the u.s. i really want to grown my own salvia. I am hoping i can form a better relationship with the spirit of the plant if i grown it and take care of it on my own instead of just buying it at a store or over the internet. my ultimate goal would to have to plant produce seeds and replant those seeds to create a new strain. any camments or suggestions?

  21. DrakeWan dice:

    Great idea… although it is VERY hard to get it to produce seeds… almost impossible..

    clones are the only way to really get er going..

    but do lots of reading before you attempt it.. so you can give her the environment she deserves and wants.

  22. Chipola_english forum dice:

    I take offense to ANYONE who says that taking any kind of entheogenic substance, or any psychedelic substance is a short-cut… that is utter BS. Only people afraid of them say that kind of shit…

    I dont see that object in my declaration (shit), maybe is more easy find it with a strange substance inside the body.

    Try looking with your EYES! and listening with your ears… because everything has a way of communicating with you, and different plants when ingested can give you a great understanding of its view-point and relationship with the world thru its eyes.

    In your argument I read a contradiction, first you say I must try to use my senses, and for the another hand differents plants give me a lot of great understanding thru his eyes.

    I insist, is very hard the use of perceptive senses without drugs, logically is more hard the use of perceptive senses with altered counciessnes via artificial method.

    only clowns who like to act like a character think they are short-cuts because thats what they were looking for

    Is more clown a contradiction in an argument, don’t you think so?

  23. DrakeWan dice:

    okay so I came off a bit harsh..

    but still ..

    if you don’t learn your senses for all they are and can be than you are lacking..
    They open your minds eye and allows you to view things in a very different manner, making you much more aquainted with the world inside of you and outside of you.

  24. ensonar dice:

    Oh drugs are definitely a “short-cut”. That doesn’t mean that taking them is easy, and it doesn’t mean that you can’t learn anything from taking them. But they are only perhaps a way to crack through thick headed people, which most of us are. However, without someone who is truly experienced to guide us we are also mostly guiding oursleves through our own self reflection. So how much we actually learn is questionable, and depends VERY much on the individual who chooses to use them.

    And of course, drugs of any sort do in fact damage the body. Not necessarily irreparable damage (depending on how much they’ve been used), but often drugs cause a depletion of energy that then has to be regained in one way or another.

    If you have a strong belief in the need for saving and storing energy in order to sustain an intended shift of the assemblage point, you often will learn to save it in any way that you can. Depleting it through taking drugs or any other energy draining activity becomes a feeling of waste.

    I believe that aiming for inner-silence is a much more useful and worthy effort.

  25. the_ally dice:

    Great idea… although it is VERY hard to get it to produce seeds… almost impossible..

    clones are the only way to really get er going..

    but do lots of reading before you attempt it.. so you can give her the environment she deserves and wants.

    i plan to do ton of reading before i start, and i know how hard it is for her to produce seeds, but i would like to think that if i were to treat her as best as possibile and form a stong connection she would make it possible to get new seeds from her, and with those new seeds, a new unique part of her.

  26. joyseph dice:

    I smoked salvia one time … well before I read any CC. I was never any kind of user, and so this was a rare experiment on my part. Anyway, I thought I was getting really tall and I was afraid my head would fall off. It scared me. When I read about the two perspective thing much later in The Power of Silence I immediately remembered my salvia experience.

    I don’t know if I want to do it again. I’ll only say, “possibly.”

    By the way, it’s not as if CC ever gave a catalogue (to my knowledge) of everything that don Juan included in his little smoke mixture. It’s obvioulsy well-accepted that the mushroom was included, but mightn’t he have used salvia in the mix?

    joyseph

  27. Chipola_english forum dice:

    Maybe is more easy: drugs are drugs

    Eric Van Lustbader in the Book Ninja write a paragrafh about the use of drug by a ninja warrior.

    And yes, for me no doubt and any problems. Drugs dont works for me, even if Castaneda write about them.

    And I dont see any reference of tonalamatl in Castaneda works.

  28. joyseph dice:

    anyway, every 60’s guy who started out espousing drugs as a “path” eventually just said “No.” CC did, Alan Watts did …

    … who else?