Ken Eaglefeather

I’m about a quarter of the way thru “on the toltec path” by ken eagle feather and I must say that I am pleasently suprised. I read “the art of sexual energy” and it turned me off to the whole “Don Juan taught me too” kinda thing, but this is different. I’ve realized all the dogma I carry around. He changes most of the terms, such as; ranger instead of warrior, field instead of attention (first field, second field, third field), focal point instead of assemblege..you get the idea. It seems to me he did this in order to explain things differently. He connects the dots, so to speak, which I found usefull because it validated some of my reasoning in the gray areas of CC books. This is starting to sound like a book review so I’ll cut it short…to late.

15 Commentsto Ken Eaglefeather

  1. Merged dice:

    I’m about a quarter of the way thru “on the toltec path” by ken eagle feather and I must say that I am pleasently suprised.

    Thanx, I had a lot of laugh 🙂

    Can you really believe such a book? If you’re halfway through then it implies that the author is more than half-way through and knows what he’s writing about… and knows how to let the reader know his ‘level’ via a book 🙂

    As far as I can remember CC officially said that Ken the Eagle Feather was an imposter, along with Merylin Tunneshende.

  2. admin dice:

    The ET part can be illustrative about the real matter of the book.

    Anyway, i think is better than Shabono.

  3. Warbaryan dice:

    He changes most of the terms, such as; ranger instead of warrior, field instead of attention (first field, second field, third field), focal point instead of assemblege..you get the idea. It seems to me he did this in order to explain things differently.

    Maybe he changed the terms in order to appear somehow “genuine” and not be blamed as a plagiator. This is a way to ensure the inflow of the big money — which, for some, sadly seems to be synonymous to personal power.

    I don’t want my sorcery made more human. Society is a trap.

  4. ensonar dice:

    Maybe he changed the terms in order to appear somehow “genuine” and not be blamed as a plagiator.

    Exactly.

    I’ve seen the immitators’ books in the bookstore. I’ve picked them up and glanced through them. I’ve read a few interviews with some of these authors. And it has always been very obvious to me that there is no depth nor anything genuine whatsoever to what they are writing or saying. They are just a pale immitation, or “interpretation” of what Carlos wrote about.

    As someone said in another thread, why go for someone else’s interpretation when you can go directly to the source; Carlos, Taisha, and Florinda’s books.

    I personally don’t feel the need to have the teachings filtered through someone who is so self infatuated that they feel the need to try and make money off of someone else’s works.

  5. Lilac dice:

    Using different words would be a good idea to make people reminded that naming things is kind of illusionic behaviour (hope I don’t make myself too hard to understand…)

    I’ve only read CC’s books, the women’s books and the book of Martin Goodman. I guess I’m quite sceptic about all the other writers, because I feel discusted about people abusing good ideas. I’ve seen many people after reading a good book starting to play a teacher around… Why can’t they have they own things and talk about them, why do they have to take something from somebody and start to act as a prophet or something…

    ***

    Twice I’ve seen in my dreams a book from CC which has scarlet red coating, and which I haven’t read already. Oh how it would be wonderfull that there would be still one book of CC… *sigh* I’m greedy…

    😛

  6. ryan dice:

    Wow, it’s nice to see everybodys ‘ire. Here’s mine. 😛 Even an imposter can give insight and perspective, some even say that CC was an imposter, after all stalking is stalking and deception wasn’t beneath Carlos. Personality, bent of character, proclavities, don’t these all filter perception and isn’t dogmatically adhering to any one the beginnings of a cult, Don Juan, CC or otherwise. I don’t care if Ken makes a few bucks off CC or me, I mean CC pimped Don Juan like there was no tomorrow. I believe that all the experiences in his book are certainly possible, so I choose to believe them. I thought his irreverance for terms and systems reflect the Nagualist path and was refreshing. Maybe it will direct perception somewhere I’ve overlooked. Maybe Ken’s bent of character is closer to mine and his reasoning will resonate with me and give my intent something to latch onto. Why not give it a chance, at the very least it would be an opportunity to not judge before close inspection, an excercise in learning what you don’t want too. Well, only got a chapter to go, and while it’s no CC book, in my opinion it was certainly worth my 18 bucks.

  7. ensonar dice:

    By all means, do whatever your heart desires. We’re all just expressing our opinions and feelings here. If you find it helpful to read that nonsense (J/K LOL)… then go for it! Everyone learns in their own way at their own pace.

    Just for clarity’s sake though, I’d like to mention that often times the word dogma gets thrown around when speaking of people who are into Castaneda’s works more than anything else. However, I believe this is a misunderstanding.

    For example, I personally am open to many different religions and philosophies. I pick and choose from them what I feel to be universally true, or to be helpful to me in some way. Just because I don’t find anything relevant or useful in books written by people who (IMO) just water down the works of Castaneda, doesn’t in any way make me dogmatic in my beliefs.

    For me Castaneda’s works have been the most helpful, the most useful, the most clear, and the most direct.

  8. Warbaryan dice:

    By all means, do whatever your heart desires. We’re all just expressing our opinions and feelings here. If you find it helpful to read that nonsense (J/K LOL)… then go for it! Everyone learns in their own way at their own pace.

    I’ve heard some people enjoy Harry Potter books, too, and say they contain “magical wisdom”… OK? I don’t feel inclined to read them, however, and I don’t feel an inclination to practice the humanist egalitarian virtue of tolerance-for-whatever just because it’s the socially dictated trend of today. I don’t feel any duty to play the “we are all big happy family” game, and I find the whole idea behind it disgusting and harmful.

    By the way, I was brought up reading old Donald Duck comics. Man, they still rule!

  9. ensonar dice:

    I don’t feel an inclination to practice the humanist egalitarian virtue of tolerance-for-whatever just because it’s the socially dictated trend of today. I don’t feel any duty to play the “we are all big happy family” game, and I find the whole idea behind it disgusting and harmful.

    I’m not sure if I’m taking this in the way you meant it or not, but I just wanted to say that I don’t play that game either. We are not one big happy family. What I’m getting at is that anyone can do whatever they want really, it doesn’t make a bit of difference to me. I have no interest in eaglefeather, or any of the rest of them. But neither do I have any interest in wasting my time and energy trying to convert anyone else to my ideas or feelings.

  10. Warbaryan dice:

    I’m not sure if I’m taking this in the way you meant it or not, but I just wanted to say that I don’t play that game either. We are not one big happy family. What I’m getting at is that anyone can do whatever they want really, it doesn’t make a bit of difference to me. I have no interest in eaglefeather, or any of the rest of them. But neither do I have any interest in wasting my time and energy trying to convert anyone else to my ideas or feelings.

    Yepp. I think you, enso�±ar, made your stance pretty clear in your previous posting. And I pretty much agree with you.

    As the victims of our judeo-christian cultural upbringing, we’re bent to seek leaders, people who would clearly state us what to do and we’d just obey and hope we please the master and fit into the system… to be “saved”, socially accepted or whatever. This is exactly the mindset what the warrior’s of third attention should constantly struggle against. Because no-one will do the work for us, no-one will walk our path for us.

    I don’t care if there’s 5 or 12 Castaneda books, the value in them for me is the essence that I reached through them (or rather, they clarified for me the path that I already was on and thus helped me in making more proper choices). I certainly can’t see the same essence in these newagey S. Hitting Bulls and whatever McGurus you can still see seeking for disciples (sheep) around the Internet…

    There is a vast difference between those who seek the way beyond the shackles of social order, and those who don’t.

    And there is also a subtle but remarkable difference between the act of trying to convert others and the act of sharing views and thoughts without socially self-important motives; philosophizing with a hammer doesn’t necessarily have to do anything with the intent to convert — I have lost the desire to preach and play teh teacher Â? a long time ago… But I haven’t rejected the desire to question, challenge, blaspheme and strongly express what I feel and think whenever I deem it suitable.

    (The power decides what is suitable. For each individual and for each individual moment. So it should be, methinks.)

    No gurus. Plz. Lol.

  11. ensonar dice:

    As the victims of our judeo-christian cultural upbringing, we’re bent to seek leaders, people who would clearly state us what to do and we’d just obey and hope we please the master and fit into the system… to be “saved”, socially accepted or whatever.

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet, I must say I have an aversion to the word “victim”. I am no one’s victim. Our self importance may be a product of society, but we are not victims unless we choose to be.

  12. Warbaryan dice:

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet, I must say I have an aversion to the word “victim”. I am no one’s victim. Our self importance may be a product of society, but we are not victims unless we choose to be.

    That’s what I was trying to say.

    We are victims by default. By assuming responsibility and walking the way of warrior, we turn to face our poisonous legacy (of slavery) in an altogether different light… or shadow.

  13. Merged dice:

    I welcome all books of Toltec. Calling Ken an imposter is kinda like giving CC the same cult status Jesus Christ has developed. But as we know, as far as the Carlos Conspiracy and wether Don Juan was real in the first place, none of it matter because it is the substance in the books that carries any significance. And the substance is definately there, it has been credited by various shamans, medicine men, brujos, etc that have read it. For example I was just reading the Path of Power by Sun Bear, an authentic native american indian (shaman) who refernced CC in his books when trying to give a description of shapeshifting to animals.

    Anyways.. Ken Eagle’s books is is just one persons account of a philosphy through their eyes, as Carlos was with his books, and so on. Miguel Ruiz is another, some dont like his delicate and simple manner of presenting the toltec philosophy for the layman, others have had their entire lives changed by his words. Their are too many personalities in this world to expect only one to work, and thus calling Carlos Castaneda the “the source” is ridiculous. They are all THE SOURCE, viewed through different eyes.

  14. Nick dice:

    Yes, Carlos Castaneda did not invent the Toltec teachings. He re-introduced them to the people of the west. Before the rise to power of the patriarchal religions we all had access to this knowledge. The Christian church has been particularly brutal in the way that it has suppressed this knowledge. Over the centuries millions of its own people have been put to death for daring to practice the old ways, and all written accounts have been destroyed. Through propaganda they have succeeded in labelling this way of life satanic and evil.
    The native people of this world are to be admired for keeping this knowledge alive, but it is not their exclusive property. Even without their help we can re-discover this knowledge by spending time alone in nature. The Earth is a living being, she can teach us much, and is willing to do so. Centuries of persecution and indoctrination mean that we do not even think of going on a vision quest any more.
    With regard to reading other authors of Toltec wisdom, I believe it is good to do so. Different people will emphasise different aspects. For example, Ken Eagle Feather writes a lot about energy and its many manifestations, Theun Mares and Victor Sanchez concentrate more on practical applications of stalking and not-doing, whilst Carlos Castaneda has a more mystical bent of character and concentrates a lot on dreaming. By sticking to just one “guru” we may run the risk of making our assemblage points more rigid.

  15. ensonar dice:

    Wow! I really sounded like a harsh opinionated asshole in those previous posts! 😛

    To be honest I really couldn’t care less. Maybe I’ll check out some other books on nagualism eventually. Or maybe not. But regardless, who am I to say what’s what? I’ve never met those authors, and don’t plan to. So for me to make statements against them is utter ridiculousness!

    I’m just another nobody who knows next to nothing.