The Newer Seers
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Yes, it’s time to sit down and take a look at where our lineage has gone askew!
C’mon, you’re not going to tell me that Carlos didn’t fuck up. There wasn’t much he didn’t fuck, according to some sources. B) And then getting creamated from without (as opposed to the fire from within. 😉 heehee!)
Seriously, and don’t call me arrogant! Someone’s got to do this. So chime in if you have any corrections or amendments to CC’s books and/or current day so-called warriors.
#1 – I think we need to realise that these books contained information given specifically to Carlos Castaneda from a sorcerer-seer-warrior-stalker. I know that you know that, but to realise it means that you’re aware that DJ is going to say whatever he has to to get CC to get it. And that means he’s going to tap into CC’s tonal to find out how to stalk and teach him. Remember at the fire with the apprentices they ran into looking for crystals, and DJ went behind the rock and came out and each one saw something different because he tapped each of their tonals?
Anyway, you have to seriously consider that some things in the book were specifically for CC’s personality and temperament (I checked the spelling, BratscheWarrior. I know! It looks funny. 😉 ) and that they may be useless (or moot! 😆 ) to someone of a different temperament.
Not everyone needs to go hunting.
Not everyone needs power plants.
Not everyone has to talk to plants…
DJ, as a warrior-seer, is so spontaneous and present that he can pick up on anything and immediately improvise a not-doing or whatever is needed to hook CC. And we’re sitting there reading and taking notes for ourselves:
“b-u-y a-n e-l-e-p-h-a-n-t g-u-n…”
“s-m-o-k-e m-o-r-e w-e-e-d…”
“s-t-a-r-t t-a-l-k-i-n-g t-o p-l-a-n-t-s…”
😆
So some things obviously apply to anyone seeking to become a seer or warrior. But some things were specific tasks designed specifically for CC’s tonal and written into the books as if for anyone.
Your tonal may be imbalanced in a totally different way than CC’s.
CC didn’t claim that these books are a “How-to” manual!
So Newer Seers rule #1:
CC’s books are not “The Holy Bible of Nagualism”
nor are they “The Complete Works on Nagualism”
Newer Seers rule #2:
Self-importance isn’t THAT important!
What I mean is that it’s not so important that you get absorbed in recognizing it in everyone and in yourself. Notice it, sure. But don’t be a fanatic.
We have to seek the root. That should be a common theme: “seek the root”.
What is the root… why was the task of eliminating self-importance assigned? Because it was seen that self-importance is the greatest consumer of energy.
So the point, the emphasis, the root, is to save energy!
Don’t get hooked on self-importance! That doesn’t save energy! Self-importance is a means, not the goal! Do you hear what I’m saying? Self-importance has become something ugly, a sin, an evil-doing! Don’t do that. That doesn’t save energy.
Self-importance isn’t important. The important thing is saving energy.
Self-importance just happens to be the greatest expenditure of energy among humans. That was seen, without emotions, without judgement.
They didn’t see that self-importance was bad!
They didn’t see that no one should ever be self-important!
They saw that it consumes enormous amounts of energy. That’s all.
Don’t mistake the woods for the trees.
(I have no idea what that means. It seemed appropriate. :unsure: )
Anyone else got some insights?
D5 Creation
Conceit is no good.
I am certain about that.
I deal with conceit every day in fartsville. I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more. If conceit becomes a familiar item here, then I won’t be here.
Impeccability is not a means to an end. It is an end in itself.
Thanks for not calling me arrogant.
😉
I’ve simply stated facts with humor.
Where do you see conceit, my friend?
What about rule 1 or 2 do you disagree with?
And do you really think I give a crap if you stay here or not? (Do not project anger onto this statement. I swear I’m not at all angry.)
Fartsville is someplace you seem to frequent. Why don’t you shift your AP or alter your description. Fartsville is not a for real, ‘out there’ place.
You seem like a very sensitive person. Perhaps you recognize this since you admit you’re afraid of failure. So why not assume responsibility for your projections that originate from your own sensitive mind? “Sensitive” is not the only way to view the world.
And if you’re ready to leave because of what you see here, you’re putting too much value in your descriptions as real things; you believe your descriptions are final.
I really don’t care what opinion you have of me. But try to read what I’ve said without it. I’m simply reflecting the teachings for your benefit. You don’t have enough knowledge about this mysterious world to make any final conclusions. No one does. Especially a warrior can’t afford to do that.
The proper way to phrase what you said might be, “From MY PERSPECTIVE you APPEAR conceited.”
And then the obvious solution is: change your perspective, unless it’s your predilection to project conceit on the world.
From Crow:
One day’s thoughts arising:
“Thank you, True, for your insight. This is exactly what I was hoping for in this forum. You are absolutely right.”
Another day’s very different thoughts arising:
“I deal with conceit every day in fartsville. I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more. If conceit becomes a familiar item here, then I won’t be here.”
I don’t think either of these is you.
I don’t think either of these describes me either.
Acceptance and rejection are just thoughts arising.
Don’t give them any more significance than that.
Dear True:
Rule 2 is bullshit. Striving for impeccability is the fundamental precept of a warrior.
If you don’t strive for impeccability, then you have no business here.
I work with arrogant people every day and I hate it. I have no interest in dealing with arrogant people here. What is the difference between arrogant people and conceited people anyway?
I am pleased that you don’t care whether I am around or not. Your indifference is good for you. I do suspect that you are lying to yourself about your indifference, though. You have done that before. I regret to admit that I wasn’t indifferent about your posts. You disgusted me and then pissed me off. I am over it.
As far as your quotes go, first you were right, and then you were wrong.
I appreciate your other posts, True. They make me think about things I haven’t considered before. They make me think about the fundamental principles on which I have built my entire house of cards. I am indecisive about pretty much everything except for impeccability. I have experienced impeccability first hand and I know there is nothing more important. Every idiot has something to teach and this is my only lesson.
Hi Crow
I have to assume that you haven’t read the whole post on rule 2. We are in agreement. I asked what you didn’t agree with.
You say striving for impeccability is a fundamental precept of a warrior.
And rule 2 removes the emphasis from self-importance to saving energy which is impeccability.
I don’t know the difference. I could define differences, but they’d be arbitrary and meaningless. I was thinking of posting something about it. What’s the difference between arrogance, conceit and knowing? All these can mean something negative in different circles. Yet knowing could mean something positive too. Since it depends on which circle of agreement you’re in, it’s obvious that these are arbitrary descriptions and not facts about the world ‘out there’, which isn’t so ‘out there’ for a warrior. People who know because they see can sound pretty arrogant, depending on where you listen from, ie. if you don’t know and don’t see and have faith in your thinking.
I’m not lying about my indifference. Dude, I’m one person here. Most people here, no – all the people I’ve spoken with don’t think or act like me. So don’t base the website on me if you feel I’m arrogant. Just talk to someone else. If you don’t want to hear from me, I’ll stop directing any posts to you. But if you want to leave because of me, I’ll just laugh at your conviction over something you can’t possibly know with certainty. I swear, if you leave, I’ll laugh. I’m not as real/defined as you’re believing me to be. You won’t leave because of me. You’ll leave because of your belief, and you’ll call it me, and I’ll laugh at your absolute conviction in your own ignorance. Not because I’m mean, but because it is funny. At least from my vantage point. That may sound like proof of arrogance to you. It’s not. You can’t prove arrogance. You can’t prove any concept. That’s why a warrior doesn’t cling to them. Arrogance is a description of an action; not an action itself.
I deal with people every day who are stuck in their labels and I get it here too, even more strongly! What does that tell you?
But I don’t expect them not to label. They haven’t claimed to want to be free, or to be warriors. We’d expect more from people here. I agree. I just don’t agree that I’m conceited. I posted facts with humor. If it’s factual, it isn’t personal. Or maybe it is. But I wouldn’t care about personal as long as it’s factual. It’s the personal that alters the actual that is an obstacle, IMO. It’s not the messenger but the message that can free or bind a man. My message is true. Does it matter who I am? Will anyone ever know who I am? You gotta drop that if you’re serious about impeccability.
A warrior, clinging so tightly to the idea of being a warrior, isn’t being a warrior. Clinging to anything can’t be impeccability. It takes enormous amounts of energy to cling.
I guess if you have to cling to something, impeccability is a good choice. But be sure you’re clinging to impeccability and not the idea of impeccability. That’s what my post on self-importance is pointing at. That’s what most things I talk about point at. Impeccability is not an idea. As long as it’s an idea, there will be the counter idea of non-impeccability that you will struggle with. When impeccability ceases to be an idea, there won’t be non-impeccability. The only thing unimpeccable about us is our ideas, our ideas of the world, our ideas of ourselves (from which self-importance stems)… remember that other post where DJ says the only thing that changes is one’s idea of oneself?
It’s hard for the mind to grasp, but DJ talks about it often in the books when he mentions thinking vs. acting. Thinking is the world of ideas. Acting is impeccability. You can think of non-impeccable acts, but you can’t act them. The mind will argue that to no end (because the mind can only think), but it’s true.
Clarification:
When I say that Carlos fucked up, I mean that he cannot claim that “sorcerer” is an inadequate term the same way that DJ could. We find plenty of evidence for this in the books where DJ warns him that he is merging more with the line of old sorcerers. And then we have the evidence of his life and death. There is no evidence at all to claim that he achieved freedom as DJ did.
To me, the character DJ in the books is the example of freedom and the character CC is the antithesis of that… in the early books he’s dumb and slow and indulgent and in the later books this indulgent spirit evolves into, or manifests as, his inclination towards the old sorcerers’ ways in his dreaming and AP shifts.
I don’t think this is my opinion. This is what the books say.
He achieved freedom from average human membership. I’ve no problem in granting him that, and that that is an ideal for all of us. But there are plenty of things to trap one after that – manipulating our fellowmen, the four natural enemies, the voice of the dreaming emissary, inorganic beings, never giving up the sorcerers’ description (which has the same tones as clarity and power, IMO)… Freedom from membership is only the first step into a predatory universe. One is more vulnerable than when they had their human shields. There are more “freedoms”: losing the human form, darting past the Eagle, the fire from within, cracking the cocoon open so that the emanations within merge with the emanations without (infinity)…
True- i liked your post, it cuts out alot of things that were relevant to only Carlos Casteneda. i like the bit “Self-importance isn’t important. The important thing is saving energy” as i think its can be easy to overemphasise the point.
Yh his books arent the “holy bible of nagualism” they have a good deal in them about the path. but should be looked at in a practical fashion.