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From Chapter 5,
Eckhart: But don't underestimate the pain-body's ability to draw out some... to make you unconscious again- to push some kind of button and you will find yourself reacting again, because pain-bodies are very cunning...
Oprah: Yeah...
Eckhart: Very clever. And they know exactly what will... make you unconscious, and what will make you react.
Oprah: You speak of it like it's a creature, like it's an alien force inside of us. Yeah.
Eckhart: Yes. That's how I see it. Hahahaha!
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