01-19-2008, 07:04 PM
"If we return for a moment to my early post on how modern man introduced chaos to a world of harmony, my question becomes - are humans really aware? Certainly they had the potential. But it almost seems to me that humans have crossed a line, where natural selection no longer applies. The collective species of humans today are amazingly nothing like rhythm and harmony, and thus I see them as being very out of touch with that awareness."
That's partially why I would say dolphins are more aware. The rest is a more scientific argument based on the brain size and function.
I do think, as far as the doers'/sorcerers' perspective goes, that there is a scale of awareness. The second attention is more aware than the first attention; a warrior-seer who truly aims at freedom is more aware than a sorcerer who wants to manipulate another person to some end; an organism that is not bent on self-destruction due to rampant self-importance is demonstrating greater awareness than a suicide bomber. But these comparisons are for any given moment, not comparisons of potential, but of available energy/awareness.
If we speak of potential, well, it gets tricky, but I'll attempt it. I get into evolution again, and here's why: First I'd say that all life potentially has the same potential. Who's to say that todays amoeba won't evolve into future homo sapiens given a trillion million years or something? Why do things need to evolve, and why towards being human? Not necessarilly (sp? don't feel like getting a dictionary) towards human - it's the brain that matters, that makes it evolved, not the form. So here's why brain has to do with awareness potential: If you look at the brains of living creatures or the nervous systems, or the lack of them, you see evolution. Using humans as an example, they actually possess three brains: the reptilian brain (corresponding to the brain stem and cerebellum), the mammalian brain (the limbic system - amygdala, hippocampus...
maybe better... check out this link of the triune brain. It's different than the last triune brain link, but basically the same. This will save me a lot of typing.
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_0..._05_cr_her.html
I happened across this article that I think is interesting if anyone has the time. It reveals a little more about the workings of the three brains from something of a NLP, psy-ops, political view:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-13.htm
So from that it should be apparent that a human has greater potential than a gecko which has only the reptilian brain. And a human who is aware of their three brains and learns to use them intentionally will be more aware than your average human who is "asleep" and being used by his/her brain and only parts at a time. If you've read any Gurdjieff you'll be familiar with this model.
I'm going over your last post again. It seems to me that universal intent, as you're using it, is "being" or "authentic self" or "natural mind"?
That's partially why I would say dolphins are more aware. The rest is a more scientific argument based on the brain size and function.
I do think, as far as the doers'/sorcerers' perspective goes, that there is a scale of awareness. The second attention is more aware than the first attention; a warrior-seer who truly aims at freedom is more aware than a sorcerer who wants to manipulate another person to some end; an organism that is not bent on self-destruction due to rampant self-importance is demonstrating greater awareness than a suicide bomber. But these comparisons are for any given moment, not comparisons of potential, but of available energy/awareness.
If we speak of potential, well, it gets tricky, but I'll attempt it. I get into evolution again, and here's why: First I'd say that all life potentially has the same potential. Who's to say that todays amoeba won't evolve into future homo sapiens given a trillion million years or something? Why do things need to evolve, and why towards being human? Not necessarilly (sp? don't feel like getting a dictionary) towards human - it's the brain that matters, that makes it evolved, not the form. So here's why brain has to do with awareness potential: If you look at the brains of living creatures or the nervous systems, or the lack of them, you see evolution. Using humans as an example, they actually possess three brains: the reptilian brain (corresponding to the brain stem and cerebellum), the mammalian brain (the limbic system - amygdala, hippocampus...
maybe better... check out this link of the triune brain. It's different than the last triune brain link, but basically the same. This will save me a lot of typing.
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_0..._05_cr_her.html
I happened across this article that I think is interesting if anyone has the time. It reveals a little more about the workings of the three brains from something of a NLP, psy-ops, political view:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-13.htm
So from that it should be apparent that a human has greater potential than a gecko which has only the reptilian brain. And a human who is aware of their three brains and learns to use them intentionally will be more aware than your average human who is "asleep" and being used by his/her brain and only parts at a time. If you've read any Gurdjieff you'll be familiar with this model.
I'm going over your last post again. It seems to me that universal intent, as you're using it, is "being" or "authentic self" or "natural mind"?