01-16-2008, 08:17 AM
Hey Silk.
Surpass refers to evolution, which refers to awareness. Entities can be more or less aware. Dolphins, I feel, are more aware than "average" humans. I just meant that dolphins are further evolved or more aware as a species than humans, but we have the potential, and some utilise it, to be as aware and more aware.
The "strategic purpose"? I don't see one. I used the words "set in motion". I think it's like that. Once awareness/attention starts, it builds, it alters what it perceives. Life/awareness is like that. I used the word "evolution" to name that. Awareness is evolving. I don't see an end to it. Any goal would be subjective, relative and temporal. The goal is to be more aware. The "end" is infinity - the endless. Purpose? I've dropped purpose - I don't think there is a purpose to any of this. I leave that to the "philosophers" as they're called. For me, it's just happening and we can either make ourselves available to it (evolution of awareness) or be fixated in the known. The seer sees what is and acts accordingly. To me, purpose is not the seer's interest but the mind's... the mind thinks/asks about purpose so it can avoid acting.
You said:
"You have imagined some kind of purpose, and developed faith in that purpose."
I'm not imagining. I see no purpose. I have no faith.
How have I shown otherwise?
I said:
"Yes (about important humans) it seems since we've acquired self-consciousness (which some religions have interpreted as God intending us to be masters of creation, above everything else.) we've seperated ourselves from the rest of creation, and this seperation is our own downfall. But maybe we're missing something, or mis-using something. I mean this self-consciousness has happened - it must have been spirit's will or whatever you call that (universal intent). So I wonder if we were to do that only to learn a lesson and return to the natural state, or (what seems more likely) that we return with this additional ability - to go back and forth for some reason. Is this about being co-creators with "God"/spirit or something? I guess we just need to use self-consciousness (thinking) strategically, purposefully, intelligently... and rest in the natural state while not using it. As it is, self-consciousness is using us (humanity)."
I can see how this seems like I'm "wondering", "speculating", etc. I was practicing a bit of stalking, trying to write so that it leaves the conversation open instead of just stating my convictions and leading the conversation. I have no "maybes" myself. I wrote that for you, or anyone else, in case you wanted it. The same with the choice of the word "wonder"... I used that so to leave the topic "open" instead of knowing for us all. I'm not sure if you know what I mean. The same with "co-creators with God"... too spiritual for my taste. The same with "I guess"... I'm not a guesser.
I see that my "stalking" just complicated the situation. I didn't (and still don't) know where you're at and I was trying a different angle than my other posts where I just say what is.
No negative connotations taken. And I hope you don't see any "defending" on my part. I was choosing my words strategically to try to avoid my normal directness that makes me seem like "one who knows" which seems to invite people to attack me.
You turned the tables on me. You're "attacking" (not really - just "pointing to" I'd say) what I would have pointed to in others. I'll be myself with you from now on and see if we don't communicate better.
I really don't indulge in speculations, meanings and purposes, (but I could if you really want me to). If I do, I'll point it out that I'm doing so. Otherwise I talk about what I see, what I know directly. I do have a lot of unconfirmed knowledge which I have available, but, again, I make it a point to say if it's mine or someone else's. If I don't specify, you may assume I'm speaking from my place of witnessing.
Thanks Silk. Does this make sense to you? I mean, does it clarify what you were seeing earlier as my "imagination, purpose and faith"?
Surpass refers to evolution, which refers to awareness. Entities can be more or less aware. Dolphins, I feel, are more aware than "average" humans. I just meant that dolphins are further evolved or more aware as a species than humans, but we have the potential, and some utilise it, to be as aware and more aware.
The "strategic purpose"? I don't see one. I used the words "set in motion". I think it's like that. Once awareness/attention starts, it builds, it alters what it perceives. Life/awareness is like that. I used the word "evolution" to name that. Awareness is evolving. I don't see an end to it. Any goal would be subjective, relative and temporal. The goal is to be more aware. The "end" is infinity - the endless. Purpose? I've dropped purpose - I don't think there is a purpose to any of this. I leave that to the "philosophers" as they're called. For me, it's just happening and we can either make ourselves available to it (evolution of awareness) or be fixated in the known. The seer sees what is and acts accordingly. To me, purpose is not the seer's interest but the mind's... the mind thinks/asks about purpose so it can avoid acting.
You said:
"You have imagined some kind of purpose, and developed faith in that purpose."
I'm not imagining. I see no purpose. I have no faith.
How have I shown otherwise?
I said:
"Yes (about important humans) it seems since we've acquired self-consciousness (which some religions have interpreted as God intending us to be masters of creation, above everything else.) we've seperated ourselves from the rest of creation, and this seperation is our own downfall. But maybe we're missing something, or mis-using something. I mean this self-consciousness has happened - it must have been spirit's will or whatever you call that (universal intent). So I wonder if we were to do that only to learn a lesson and return to the natural state, or (what seems more likely) that we return with this additional ability - to go back and forth for some reason. Is this about being co-creators with "God"/spirit or something? I guess we just need to use self-consciousness (thinking) strategically, purposefully, intelligently... and rest in the natural state while not using it. As it is, self-consciousness is using us (humanity)."
I can see how this seems like I'm "wondering", "speculating", etc. I was practicing a bit of stalking, trying to write so that it leaves the conversation open instead of just stating my convictions and leading the conversation. I have no "maybes" myself. I wrote that for you, or anyone else, in case you wanted it. The same with the choice of the word "wonder"... I used that so to leave the topic "open" instead of knowing for us all. I'm not sure if you know what I mean. The same with "co-creators with God"... too spiritual for my taste. The same with "I guess"... I'm not a guesser.
I see that my "stalking" just complicated the situation. I didn't (and still don't) know where you're at and I was trying a different angle than my other posts where I just say what is.
No negative connotations taken. And I hope you don't see any "defending" on my part. I was choosing my words strategically to try to avoid my normal directness that makes me seem like "one who knows" which seems to invite people to attack me.
You turned the tables on me. You're "attacking" (not really - just "pointing to" I'd say) what I would have pointed to in others. I'll be myself with you from now on and see if we don't communicate better.I really don't indulge in speculations, meanings and purposes, (but I could if you really want me to). If I do, I'll point it out that I'm doing so. Otherwise I talk about what I see, what I know directly. I do have a lot of unconfirmed knowledge which I have available, but, again, I make it a point to say if it's mine or someone else's. If I don't specify, you may assume I'm speaking from my place of witnessing.
Thanks Silk. Does this make sense to you? I mean, does it clarify what you were seeing earlier as my "imagination, purpose and faith"?

