[DrakeWan]

. Wanting to start a group is nothing but putting yourself in a place of importance.


Carlos spread this knowledge far and wide with his books. I am not saying that new configurations, or groups wouldn't be possible. Anything is possible. But I feel very confident that new configurations would not be put together by someone who goes around telling people about it on a message board. It would be by someone who SEES. And not someone who goes around telling people that they see on message boards... warriors don't go around boasting things. And also it wouldn't be someone who defends themselves on message boards either.

A true warrior-seer may not be easy to spot if they are purposely remaining hidden, but a sham-warrior can be spotted in a second, by the childish way they approach things.

That being said, I'm not trying to put you down Jin. I come off a bit harshly sometimes, but don't take it personally. We're all dumb-asses most of the time.

Many of us are not mature enough to stop playing pretend. I've seen it over and over on Nagualism based message boards and groups. Everyone wants to pretend they're a nagual

I see a lot of this with anyone and everyone on the internet... on the internet everyone is a leader.... the whole idea of the internet is everyone is a leader of what they view...

in a world of leaders nothing ever actually gets done because "the leaders" are too busy trying to lead everyone and have everyone follow them.

pretending that they have something to teach the rest of us

You would have to understand that most peoples intentions are positive... When they try to explain the nagual, they are only trying to help.... would it not be self importance to think what they have to say is pretending?
without self-importance everyones words are the same as everyone elses... because without self-importance you can see the nagual in everything everyone does or says..

or they want to start a "group"

Well, it is useless in all reality to initiate a group where people join at will, or by clever advertising... People have to understand what it implies....

We all should remember Don Juan saying the words he chooses are just chosen because they worked the best and that future seers would make their own words to describe it accurately to the new non-seers...

Carlos' books weren't the bible... Don Juan made it clear that concepts and descriptions would be updated, but not the over-all concept...

I agree with you, but I think you're observing this from a abberated view-point... no offense at all

Why not be humble and be concerned only with becoming a mature and focused warrior?

'mature' ? Don Juan and Don Genaro were anything but mature.. lol
neither were they overly humble...
they were impeccable. nothing more, nothing less.

Perhaps it is impeccability that lead people to wanting a person to form a group... maybe it isn't the person that is 'creating' the group that is being self-important, but yet the 'followers' making someone else important... like Carlos did with Don Juan...
sometimes people are more advanced for their own reasons... and others seek their guidance...
Carlos didn't become a nagual all on his own... he needed everyones assistance..
He needed people to think of him as the nagual yet think of him as a total fool, it kept them from becoming obsessed with him... (not everyone obviously) ... Carlos was the new Nagual.... the new teacher... the fool and the teacher.... it stopped people from looking up and worshipping their teacher.

Don Juan didn't "want" to start a group. Don Juan didn't pick people to be in his party. Intent chose and he acquiesced. As he said, he wasn't concerned with teaching anyone, his only concern was continuing his lineage. And as we know, that lineage stopped with Carlos, Florinda, Taisha, and Carol.

......Please see what your own statement portrays...

Don Juan wasn't important enough to want to start something... instead he let things happen as they were supposed to by following/listening to intent... Intent showed him people and he had to be sure that it was intent and not his self-importance choosing..
He wasn't concerned with teaching because teaching implies worldly things.. or worldly knowledge... what he had to 'express' or teach was not just a method of calculating Pi... it was REALITY.... You cannot really teach something that "is".... you can only unlearn what one has made concrete in their own mind... one can only fix anothers abberations... nothing less, nothing more.

In my opinion we are all now part of the new configuration.

Yes, we ALL are... meaning every human... thought spreads like wild-fire... whats in ones head transfers to everyone elses in the vicinity...

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The thing is, we can't see warriors because only people that can see can actually tell if a person is a warrior or not..
and just because a person occasionally seems self-important doesn't mean they are, or that they are abberated..... Many times Don Juan and Genaro expressed their mastery over certain things.

I think we all need to focus on 'agreeing' ... or trying to find truth in the most abberated posts....

this is our world on here... we each individually own it...
granted we all may be a bit drunk with the idea we can post or BE whoever we want... we're all still generally good people.. not 'trying' to be dicks...
We're hardly being impeccable squabbling over mere words or ideas...
What I'm proposing here is that we help anyone and everyone no matter how stupid we may think it is... theres nothing really to lose.