12-15-2007, 05:56 AM 
		
	
	
		When I used to think of people, myself included, as being asleep or unconscious, I had seen this model for reality, that it was so difficult to wake up because we were in a dream within a dream within a dream...
I recently verified this from my latest perspective, observing thoughts arising -
When we perceive thoughts arising and falling away, we are pretty close to being 'awake' or seeing actual reality. But when we think about thoughts the dreaming/sleeping begins. While observing thoughts arising, there is nothing to be done about them, they belong to no one, they mean nothing, etc. But as soon as we think about the thoughts arising, we give them some power, some reality in that they are worth acting upon, believing in, doing something about, meaningful to me, because they are 'my' thoughts...
The amazing thing is, it isn't even 'us' who are thinking about the thoughts. Thought is thinking about itself! Thought is self-reflecting in order to create 'reality'. As I've stated elsewhere, there is no 'me', just a bundle of thoughts, collected, given adhesion, gravity, by awareness localizing itself to the body-mind. Just look at the internal dialogue (I intentionally didn't say 'your' internal dialogue). When you try to stop it, it keeps going, in spite of you. It has a mind of its own. It isn't 'you' or 'yours'. Thought is reflecting upon itself to create the universe. It is doing this IN awareness, which IS what we are, and we can make awareness be still and thought will stop self-reflecting and the world will stop. We don't actually make awareness be still - we remember the silence, the stillness that awareness is behind everything.
Anyway, this sheds light on breaking the mirror of self-reflection. The self, which is a collected bundle of thoughts, self-reflects as a collective, just as thoughts self reflect, and this creates the illusion of the 'me' or ego or self-important human form.
So I just thought it was cool, the dream within a dream thing - thoughts arising; thoughts self-reflecting; thoughts thinking in collective bundles giving rise to the idea of self; self interacting and reflecting other selves' thoughts (talking to others, thinking about others, caring what others think of us, etc.; self interacting with its reflection as if it were an actual world 'out there'...
	
	
	
	
	
I recently verified this from my latest perspective, observing thoughts arising -
When we perceive thoughts arising and falling away, we are pretty close to being 'awake' or seeing actual reality. But when we think about thoughts the dreaming/sleeping begins. While observing thoughts arising, there is nothing to be done about them, they belong to no one, they mean nothing, etc. But as soon as we think about the thoughts arising, we give them some power, some reality in that they are worth acting upon, believing in, doing something about, meaningful to me, because they are 'my' thoughts...
The amazing thing is, it isn't even 'us' who are thinking about the thoughts. Thought is thinking about itself! Thought is self-reflecting in order to create 'reality'. As I've stated elsewhere, there is no 'me', just a bundle of thoughts, collected, given adhesion, gravity, by awareness localizing itself to the body-mind. Just look at the internal dialogue (I intentionally didn't say 'your' internal dialogue). When you try to stop it, it keeps going, in spite of you. It has a mind of its own. It isn't 'you' or 'yours'. Thought is reflecting upon itself to create the universe. It is doing this IN awareness, which IS what we are, and we can make awareness be still and thought will stop self-reflecting and the world will stop. We don't actually make awareness be still - we remember the silence, the stillness that awareness is behind everything.
Anyway, this sheds light on breaking the mirror of self-reflection. The self, which is a collected bundle of thoughts, self-reflects as a collective, just as thoughts self reflect, and this creates the illusion of the 'me' or ego or self-important human form.
So I just thought it was cool, the dream within a dream thing - thoughts arising; thoughts self-reflecting; thoughts thinking in collective bundles giving rise to the idea of self; self interacting and reflecting other selves' thoughts (talking to others, thinking about others, caring what others think of us, etc.; self interacting with its reflection as if it were an actual world 'out there'...

     